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  • #48328 Score: 1

    sean the sailor
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    I think it’s simple. Utd abd chelsea managers need to be given this season as a write off if it goes belly up

    There will be bad performances and results and supporters need to back the manager otherwise they have to start all over again

    #48335 Score: 0

    nine nine nine
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    Klopp tips Gerrard to replace him.

    “If you ask who should follow me, I’d say Stevie. I help him whenever I can.”

    #48344 Score: 0
    newbalance
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    Big clubs with big shoes to fill. If you’re judging somebody after 2/3 defeats then, you may as well throw in the towel.

    #48353 Score: 0
    Makaveli
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    I don’t like the Gerrard for manager stuff. Chelsea may strike it lucky with Lampard but it’s a lottery. Personally I don’t think Gerrard has the communication to be a top manager. I’ve heard him talk many times since he’s gone to this level and I dunno, it just feels like he’s winging it.

    Experience may do him well and I’d be DELIGHTED to be wrong but I feel a little unwell at this roar from our fans that he has to be the next manager.

    Liverpool fans have to be smarter than this. We’ve got to pull away from this idea of “its meant to be” and actually ask if it’s the right move, cause the wrong one c an set you back 5 years. Another mistake after that can ruin you as a club.

    There is no time for sentimentality when you’re looking at shifting a legend on the field, into the key role off the pitch, with entirely different core skills.

    The fans need to shut up about Gerrard unless they are talking about 05. Let’s all hope Klopp sticks around for longer but the fact that he’s fueling this fire…. that unnerves me a little.

    Man City would be fine without Pep. They have infinite resources and can get any good manager in and he’d do amazing with that squad.

    Liverpool do not have technically well rounded players, to the same extent. we do not have a bench full of superstars. Without Klopp, we’d return to 4th.

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    442
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    I think United will have to have a long think when Pochetino becomes available.

    Threeps, You say united need a DOF, Chelsea have finally just done that with Chech… The proof will be in the pudding as you’d hope an inexperienced team in management, as Chelsea’s is with Morris, Chech and Lampard, will learn along the way as they did on the pitch.

    Pagan, I’d argue attacking is the easy part of the game when you have creative professionals. In business, having the best creative minds is fine, but you need support staff to get the best out of them. Defending is an art and ive not seen anything from Lampard to suggest he is getting it right, Derby shipped goals and Chelsea are too.

    Would United go for Zidane if he is sacked? or Pochetino?

    I think what we are seeing in the game is a blind trust in young managers. Its refreshing to see new faces being given jobs… Just no idea how it’ll turn out in the end.

    Gerrard for Liverpool? Wouldn’t he slip on the steps going to sign the contract… boom boom…. couldn’t help myself. If I was a Liverpool fan it would terrify me having Gerrard back as a coach after managing Rangers, Sorry to say, Scottish footballs is as competitive as Rap C Nesbit on a Sunday morning.

    I also had misgivings about Lampard as coach at Chelsea. I still do but accept the situation has driven the choice, but given how we are playing and conceding schoolboy type goals, still think I’ll be happy with a lower to mid table finish avoiding a relegation battle.

    #48377 Score: 1
    steveosnakeeye
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    i wouldnt touch ZZ with a bargepole whoever the club, the man very luckily won 3 CL in a row which is steall, but with the team he had then and the money he spent this summer and he still isnt happy and wants more and cant get them playing well ….yet

    think he might be a tad overrated as a manager…

    #48379 Score: 0

    442
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    Stevo… Unless your Jose, never go back. Only he could do that sort of job. I think he did get lucky, but all that glitters and all that, United will probably swoop in like a magpie… My puns are awful today.

    #48380 Score: 0

    nine nine nine
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    Mak, Re Gerrard “Liverpool fans have to be smarter than this. We’ve got to pull away from this idea of “its meant to be” and actually ask if it’s the right move, cause the wrong one can set you back 5 years. Another mistake after that can ruin you as a club.”

    Trickiest thing in the world replacing a previously succesful Manager as United found out it will come to Liverpool and City eventually City probably first.

    I think the circumstances were right in appointing Frank and now the key is for the fans and Board to back him but it will be completely different circumstances at Liverpool when the time comes.

    #48387 Score: 0
    Makaveli
    Makaveli
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    Exactly Nine. Under the right circumstances, it can be the correct decision and in Chelsea’s case it actually was but this was a freak scenario. I get the feeling though that if Lampard works out, it’ll strengthen the ‘Gerrard for manager’ campaign. The 2 lads were compared so much through-out their careers as players, so no doubt this will continue. It wasn’t a great comparison while they were players and that tenuous thread will be even weaker now but that won’t stop it from getting people behind this idea.

    I definitely want to see how Gerrard does at Rangers and then a PL club before I start calling for him, over you know, a top top manager.

    Some acts are hard to follow, like Fergie. I don’t think Klopp will ever win the PL with an awful team and then retire though. I will never know how he won anything with the lot he left Utd with. I think this is his greatest achievement but it’s also totally screwed the club over. Well, that and bringing in Moyes afterwards, The crazy Dutch bastard, Jose.. None of them suited Utd’s philosophy. People on here say that doesn’t matter, well it does.

    Liverpool’s owners/executives seem to have their heads screwed on. I mean they got Klopp in the first palce and they have a fantastic Sporting director, so hopefully they will be smart enough to avoid sentimentality when appointing Klopp’s successor.

    #48388 Score: 0

    Mikus
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    Mak, personally I’ve got my eye on Xabi Alonso for when the time comes.

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    #48393 Score: 0
    steveosnakeeye
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    maybe a bit unfair on Stevie G saying he “onky at ragners” etc, lets be honest, they were and still are in a very difficult position, and he would still need to get them playing, build a squad and mentality and make tactical choices, if he does all that very well then he may be good enough for Pool or any other club, youd really need to hear week in week out from Rangers fans as to how he is doing in all that…..but no point taking someone because they “used” to be a good player for you….

    we have many great ex players none of whom have done squat as managers as yet!

    when its time for the big 2 to move on though, the cycle will start again and likley another 2 wil take over and those 2 will just be BIG 4 clubs and slowly wain…..but only if other clubs step up and also get lucky with managers and players….

    #48396 Score: 0
    Makaveli
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    Alonso, perhaps. If I were to guess, I’d say he might know the tactical side of the game better but the skillset for management is a world apart and with communication/character maybe being one of the most important ones, if not the most important (oddly), you just never know who has the chops until they try it.

    As for it being harsh on Gerrard regards Rangers. They are in a joke of a league, with only 2 winners for 30 or so years. Doing well up there with either celtic of Rangers isn’t worth much. The fact that Rangers are coming back from oblivion does give it some value though but if I were reviewing CV’s for the role of manager at Liverpool, I’d be more impressed with someone who challenged for the Serie A against Juve, or who won the Bundesliga ahead of Bayern, or someone who did well in any respected competition and the Scottish PL isn’t on that list.

    It’s my opinion that the Scottish sides should be brought into the “English” Leagues. In case anyone might wonder why that’s in quotes, Cardiff, Swansea etc.. And for the record, I’d add them all in, from League One down. Have them play a season for their places kinda deal.

    #48397 Score: 0

    442
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    999… The circumstances were right for appointing frank. I fell off my chair laughing at that Chelsea fan foible. If Chelsea hadn’t appointed him, the fans would have just gone down the chanting you dont know what your doing, and F**K the manager once again. (really classless by Chelsea fans that).

    It happened with Benitez, when he was manager, fans were split when mentioned about taking over for a second time or when the board realised they were making another multimillion pound (Player/ manager/ recruitment – Sarri/ Jorginho) error and mooted keeping Sarri. At which point CFC fans went into collective tantrum mode while throwing the rattles out of the pram at Sarri… poor man, no wonder he didnt want to stay given the ABUSE he took week in and out.

    If we hadn’t appointed frank there would have been mutiny in the stands. (note fans will and are being bypassed by clubs because they no longer rely or need fans in stadiums) The fact that fans are so willing to overlook the clubs catastrophic defending and hope that two players returning from injury will seal up the holes and bad positioning goes to show how desperate they are for him to succeed. I pointed out defending wasn’t his strength before the season and it is coming to pass.

    the signs are really troubling that we’ve not kept a clean sheet yet.

    It has been the clubs strength for ten or more years and we’ve gone backwards so far with Lampard in defensive quality. Dave is being made a scapegoat for our troubles by fans, the guy is one of the best defenders in the world game and has been since joining the club… But the fans think he’s to blame… mindless. anyhow, good day

    #48398 Score: 0

    Luckydestiny
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    Anything interesting to say? something other than shitting on chelsea and their fans, or calling people racist?

    I mean your posts are all over the place here, dont really see the link to your chosen thread title and it seems you are just on the wind up again, no balance to what you post what so ever.

    #48399 Score: 0

    sean the sailor
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    I’ll be devastated when klopp goes. I think he will only be here two more seasons after this.

    He had totally changed everything about the club. The way he talks. The way we play. The crowd and just about everything

    I really didn’t think he would have this much of an impact. The biggest compliment I can give him , is there is absolutely nothing to moan about as a Liverpool fan these days.

    We won’t find anyone good enough to replace him. I’d sell Salah tomorrow if it meant klopp staying for longer

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