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  • #180444
    Mikus LFC
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    Uh-oh Ed, don’t bring the Henderson debate to England. We’ve covered about 20 volumes of threads over Henderson on Liverpool threads over recent years.

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    #180445
    nine nine nine
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    Euros SkyBet winners odds 14/06

    France
    9/2
    England
    5/1
    Belgium
    6/1
    Italy
    13/2
    Spain
    15/2
    Portugal
    8/1
    Germany
    9/1
    Netherlands
    12/1
    Croatia
    40/1
    Denmark
    50/1
    Switzerland
    50/1
    Poland
    80/1
    Sweden
    80/1
    Austria
    100/1
    Czech Republic
    100/1
    Russia
    100/1
    Turkey
    100/1
    Ukraine
    100/1
    Finland
    150/1
    Wales
    150/1
    Slovakia
    200/1
    Hungary
    250/1
    Scotland
    500/1
    North Macedonia
    5000/1

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    #180446
    Anonymous

    Why Gerrard his managing in a very weak league which is also generally recognized as a 2 team league, neither him or Lampard are ready yet for the England job or any of the top 6 EPL clubs. I would like to see Howe manage England, don’t really rate Southgate.

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    #180448
    Editor
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    I’d put Dean Smith, Graham Potter, Gerrard and Eddie Howe all above Lampard for England. It can’t be enough to just be English. At least Gerrard has won something and at a canter, too. I’m not Southgate’s biggest fan but at least he did an apprenticeship by doing a few years as U21 manager

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    #180449
    D1rtyH4rry
    Participant

    I’m talking about their records for England Sean, which could be up for debate tbh. Capello on paper is far superior to all of them and was dog shit for England.

    Ed – can you honestly say Lampards is not up there with the names you mentioned (I do have high hopes for Stevie). I’m not going to bang the drum any longer, but it really isnt as outlandish as being made out when the alterntive suggestions are Dean Smith, Graham Potter and Eddie Howe ffs.

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    #180450
    steveosnakeeye
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    Good to see this place loving it up with a good few different posters πŸ‘

    Let’s see how the β€œmighty” Spain do!

    Arteta can replace Southgate actually I might even take a swap 🀣🀣

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    #180451
    nine nine nine
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    No way currently is Lampard right for England but if he has some decent success at Club level and top 4 and an FA Cup Final in his first PL season with no players signed and the best player sold wasn’t too shabby and up to Christmas neither was his second season topping the PL and winning his CL Group before it all went topsy turvy wasn’t too shabby either.

    As Harry said it’s not too outlandish at some time in the future if Frank’s career might go that way Gerrard’s too but both have got to want international Team Management and it isn’t for everyone but we’re probably talking 5 or more years down the track if there was any chance of it ever happening.

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    #180453
    FoxyFoxes
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    OK,what I like Southgate for is, he understands the culture, he knows what was wrong with it in previous generations from being part of it. He has addressed that really well. He has also put confidence in youth to express themselves by constantly picking a young squad. I applaud all of that.
    What I don’t like him for is, he is tactically inept.What I saw against Croatia is exactly the same tactics as we employed in the WC. Some will say well that’s good, we got to the semis, but let’s be honest, we faced some pretty shit or average teams to get there. The one time we played anyone with any real steel we looked second rate. To be fair, we looked second rate against Colombia and Sweden in the knockouts. The tactics Southgate seemed to employ was go out really hard really early in the game get a goal up and then try and sit back. The reality was, we didn’t have the midfield quality to absorb that kind of possession, even against Sweden and Colombia! I saw the same tactic against Croatia the other day. This concerns me. If you’re going to sit back and absorb, you still need an attacking outlet and in the WC those games were crying out for Vardy or someone similar to be brought on instead of Kane to keep a threat and not allow the opposition to keep pushing forward.

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    #180454
    FoxyFoxes
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    I know this is controversial, but I would say Dyche would make a good England coach. In my opinion a National Team Coach needs to be primarily a great communicator and motivator. You have so little time with your squad that you wouldn’t get enough time to really bed in your style of football. For instance, I don’t think Pep would make a good national team coach for that reason. Now Dyche is amazing at getting the maximum from very little, we might not play pretty under him but you can guarantee fight from his players. If you look back at the supposed master tacticians we have had as previous England managers they have failed as they are shit man-managers. The two best England managers of the last 30 years were both great man-managers (Robson and Venables). Neither enforced particularly attractive football but we still speak of their teams 30 years on

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    #180455
    D1rtyH4rry
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    This the same Venables that didnt have to manage a game for 2 years as we were hosting the tournament. The same man that anmounced he was leaving months before the tournament. The same man that’s a bloody crook.

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    #180456
    Nike19
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    I’m with Ed on those names mentioned. I have a preference in Graham Potter encourages good open football with Brighton.

    As far as I remember, we were in the doldrums from not qualifying for the World Cup in 1994 and if anything, El Tel brought a feel good factor. The problem was the media bringing out all his business affairs and also trying to create a rift between him and the certain players for going out.

    For me that and under Bobby Robson (late) was probably the best time supporting England – England came together, 1990 and 1996.

    Looking back, the worse ones were Sven Goran Erikson, Steve McClaren and Fabio Cappello. I couldn’t stand for a minute the ‘Golden Generation’, WAGs and ‘Gerrard and Lampard Debate’. We under achieved, heavily and a certain David Beckham made it all about him.

    Based on the experience, we are in a much greater place even with social media. These crop of players are decent professionals. They know not to get too carried away after winning a game.

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    #180457
    Nike19
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    I’m with you Foxy, 6:07, having properly read your post after putting together my own thoughts. Key from Bobby Robson and Terry Venables was Man-Management and backing you against the Media. These individuals brought the best out in the ability of Paul Gascoigne.

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    #180458
    Brian blue
    Participant

    On the next England managers job, although I do not see much wrong with Southgate, but if it happens then I would not pick any of the likely candidates and think outside the box, so to speak and would go along with Faxy suggestion and have Dyche, a strong character, although our media will eventually wear him down, or any other Manager for that matter. Howe as my next choice although not sure he could handle big events.

    Whoever takes the job will have more critics than supporters , that is certain

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    #180459
    D1rtyH4rry
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    I think Dyche would handle the press very well which is a large part of the job

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    #180460
    Tugay is God
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    No quite sure what Hoddle did to make you think he is better than Southgate? Handled the picking of the squad awfully by getting them in a room one at a time like an early X Factor audition to tell them they are in or out the France 98 squad. Nearly didn’t pick Owen in that squad and said he wasn’t a natural goalscorer. Didn’t pick Beckham at the start of the tournament. Went out in the last 16. Also a massive weirdo in getting Eileen Drewery in as a “faith healer”. Ray Parlour asked her for a short back and sides as a joke and was never picked for England again. Also his views on the disabled were abhorrent. Hoddle isn’t fit to lace Southgate’s boots as an international manager.

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    #180461
    nine nine nine
    Moderator

    Been an interesting debate re the next England Manager not sure it’s something we should worry too much about though I can’t see Southgate not leading England into the World Cup Finals in 2022 without his hand is found to have been in the biscuit tin or he’s caught with a team of Women in his bedroom.😊

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    #180464
    D1rtyH4rry
    Participant

    Group of death kicks off tonight. Sneaky feeling France won’t make it out of the group.

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    #180465
    nine nine nine
    Moderator

    Should be a great game tonight. Very difficult Group to call anything could happen.

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    #180466
    D1rtyH4rry
    Participant

    I’m just happy England aren’t in that group tbh. Was thinking the other day, isn’t it boring when the big teams get knocked out. As much as I love an underdog story, the quality of football really dries up when the big dogs go home early.

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    #180468
    Anonymous

    Cmon Hungry let’s do this

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