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  • #181674
    Blaze
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    Just on the abuse subject the majority of abuse on social media is coming from people in other countries even in countries of colour but the issue is what does our government do, they obviously not going to ask other countries to have abusers extradited, yes they can be banned forever from all the platforms but they merely adopt another identity and a new account. Trump can do that as well but then he would lose all his followers as you cannot transfer friends or followers onto a new account. It’s very difficult to stop keyboard menaces almost impossible under the current technology.

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    #181675
    sean the sailor
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    Foxy, Neville said that The on my way England wound get to the final is by playing the pragmatic style they did?

    I donโ€™t Agree. Thereโ€™s so much attacking talent in the squad.

    Ed has highlighted that itโ€™s twice England have gone ahead in a semi final and final and just sat back. I donโ€™t get it
    Iโ€™d rather go down having a go then losing like sunday.

    Iโ€™m used to watching Liverpool just go for it. City Aswell. Leicester play very good football. I know is itโ€™s totally different for international football. Less time on training ground etc but Spain play like enriques Barca with lesser players.

    The cautious style is not working in my opinion. Going a goal up and sitting in, is just asking for trouble. Jose keeps trying it

    Even utd in the Europa final.

    Just have a go. Itโ€™s much better to watch and a much better way to lose as the pragmatic style and cautious approach doesnโ€™t seem to be working

    Italy had the blend absolutely perfect and thatโ€™s really not one of the greatest Italy teams in the last 20 years

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    #181676
    sean the sailor
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    Brian, totally agree mate. These people can be identified. I just donโ€™t get the mentality. Your country is in the final enjoy it guys

    Still great euros. Great goals. Var had its moments but it was better then last season in the pl

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    #181677
    steveosnakeeye
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    Sean and Ed this was very much what I was saying from the start the caution the defensive approach 2 holding mids
    We have the talent but not the psychology
    Other than Ukraine we struggled and โ€œgot byโ€
    As said Iโ€™d rather go down fighting than with a whimper
    Only difference this tournament is we got the luck they usually goes against us
    Also we only ever turn up to a tournament when itโ€™s at home โ€ฆ.

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    #181678
    FoxyFoxes
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    Sean, I actually agree with you. I would prefer that we go for it with the talent we have than sit back. What I was trying to say was that if you are going to use the tactic Southgate was using then you still need to have a counter-attacking outlet to keep their defence from pushing too high. Essentially that is how Leicester line up against the good possession teams. they sit deep, but the very threat of Vardy with a long ball over the top is enough to stop their defenders from pushing up too high on us. Southgate didn’t have that outlet with Kane as the sole striker and so that just allowed the Italian CBs to push higher and higher and press the hell out of us.

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    #181679
    Luckydestiny
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    England win the shootout and Southgate is knighted, lose the shootout and he got it all wrong! Who the hell would want this job!

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    #181680
    D1rtyH4rry
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    Foxy – We were crying out for a Vardy on Sunday. Sancho coming on earlier could have done that IMO. He and Saka could have been given license to get behind, Sterling also, but I feel his legs were spent after a long season and tournament. It’s important to note that Italy were not actually a better team on paper and there was no real need to us to invite pressure the way we did. I am a huge supporter of Southgate, you all know this, but his game management was awful on Sunday, and I was saying all of this during the game so I’m not going to give him the out of hindsight.

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    #181681
    Luckydestiny
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    It was certainly worrying to see England come out second half and immediately sitting deep and inviting pressure. I think every single football fan watching that game felt that Italy would likely snatch an equaliser unless the pattern of the game changed and England could see more of the ball or at least show a real threat on the counter. I think we were all expecting England to to get to half time and regroup and all were looking at Southgate to make a change.

    Haven’t a clue what changes should have been made though. Every change suggested seems to have risks and Gareth seemed to back his team to cope with pressure and keep clean sheet. Italy got an equaliser from set piece, shit happens, and England could not gain control of the game.

    It was going to pens for sure and that’s where England lost, penalties. My only confusion re Southgate are his decisions regards the penalty takers and the subs made in last min of extra time. He tried approaching it in a calculated and emotionless way and pick the best players statistically, but like many have said that is not at all appropriate as these conditions can not be simulated.

    The irony is you would think Gareth would understand all that better than anyone right? Maybe he resented having to take a pen ahead of better players just because he had the bollocks? I don’t know but the penalty shoot out was where it was lost from a completely factual POV and given that he gets an easy 8/10, but 9/10 imo for a very fine effort.

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    #181682
    Mikus LFC
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    I think that’s largely right Lucky, Southgate did it his way and it did actually work. However, I’m afraid as you say, he messed up the end game with regards to penalties and the decisions he made. Thanks in part to Pickford, the shootout was there for the taking. Putting on players who had barely kicked a ball to take high pressure penalties is like asking a rested golfer to drive off with no warm up or even a practice swing. They’re almost inevitably going to shank it.

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    #181685
    D1rtyH4rry
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    Yeah I’m not saying he should step down, I just think he got it really wrong on Sunday. It was his first final as a manager, that coupled with his already stacked kudos he deserves a run at the WC in Qatar. By that time Trent will hopefully be fully fit and firing, which could make a massive difference. Not sure Southgate trusts him though tbh, but he is a generational talent, that needs to be let loose on the international stage.

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    #181687
    Anonymous

    Trent is just an average decent player, he want make much difference. I also think Rice and Phillips are overated, they probably had one good game, he needed to try out something there as well. He could have brought on those subs at half time of extra time, just for them to get a feel of the match and ball. Remember Italy also missed 2 penalties although they were good saves by Pickford.

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    #181688
    D1rtyH4rry
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    MightyMoos – He will want to make much difference, you’re right.

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    #181689
    nine nine nine
    Moderator

    Don’t agree with that at all Moos. Trent is probably the best offensive right back in the World albeit he’s a bit wonky defensively at times had Trent remained fit he could have had as big an impact for England on the Euros as Spinazzola did for Italy prior to his injury.

    Trent was a massive miss for England offensively imo.

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    #181690
    nine nine nine
    Moderator

    UEFA Official Team of the Tournament revealed.

    Goalkeeper
    Gianluigi Donnarumma (Italy)

    Defenders
    Kyle Walker (England)

    Leonardo Bonucci (Italy)

    Harry Maguire (England)

    Leonardo Spinazzola (Italy)

    Midfielders
    Pierre-Emile Hรธjbjerg (Denmark)

    Jorginho (Italy)

    Pedri (Spain)

    Forwards
    Federico Chiesa (Italy)

    Romelu Lukaku (Belgium)

    Raheem Sterling (England)๏ปฟ

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    #181691
    nine nine nine
    Moderator

    Good to see the “real” England fans out in force at the Marcus Rashford mural with messages of support.

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    #181696
    Young_blue
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    There are a few issues in this Euro 2020. Gareth Southgate has been the best manager and the personality in this Euros. his press conferences has been enjoyable, he was calm and was insightful everytime he has gone infront of the camera. personally i enjoyed his calmness and he was so humble unlike the Germany and France coaches. he should win the best coach.

    Also, if you are a United fan, you should be celebrating. of those United players who went to the Euros,only Rashford and De Gea had a tournament to forget. others inlcuding Pogba has a very good tournament. i was pleased for Maguaire who has been slaughtered by opposition fans including myself. but credit to where it’s due, he marshelled the England defence very well. Luke Shaw was also outstanding. City fans should also celebrate, as their player has been excellent. everywhere they played.

    Chelsea had mixed fortunes, whilst Jorginho and Mount has been good Werner, Kante, and Chilweell had a tournament to forget. Liverpool players were also average in this tournament.

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    #181697
    FoxyFoxes
    Participant

    Fernandes was pretty average/crap

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    #181698
    Nike19
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    There are players that have emerged from this tournament and have been eye opening and refreshing to see which is what I like for somebody who doesn’t watch or take too much interest in other leagues.

    Italy definitely have good players and their attacking style reminds me a little bit of 1990 Italy.

    Sterling for our lot really stepped up and matured. Walker, Top Drawer. I personally like to see a little more experience and maturity and perhaps that’s what might have been lacking to get us over the line.

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    #181699
    Editor
    Keymaster

    Young_blue, Shaw was the pick of the bunch for me (of the Utd lads). A travesty he wasn’t in the team ofthe tournament IMO.

    Maguire proved a lot of people wrong too. Walker and Sterling were brilliant. As Foxy says, Bruno was rubbish. I thought a lot of Portugal players were poor. Bruno, Dias, Felix were poor.

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    #181700
    Editor
    Keymaster

    I think if teams canโ€™t win the game in 120 minutes of football, then you deserve the fate of a penalty shootout, which itself can still be managed to some degree and itโ€™s still a test of mental strength.

    As much as I hate going out on pens, I completely agree with Mikus here. I’d like to see something done though to encourage attacking teams within the 120 mins. Something like the team with the most shots on target get to pick which side to have the pens at and which team goes first. Some advantage needs to go to the team showing more intent and ambition.

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