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  • #181503
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    Couldn’t agree more Mike. I wish the world of football was as engaged in injustice when Lampard’s goal was not given despite being a metre over the line or when Beckham was sent off for a tap on Simeone or indeed the hand of God or Ronaldo’s theatrics and wink. A

    As you say, I bet the Danes haven’t been going on about their good fortune for their goal anything like the fuss over the Sterling goal. That the Italians, the masters of the dark arts, are going on about it is laughable, too.

    As you say,it’s been done to death in UK media also so definitely not being glossed over. I listen to a lot of UK football podcasts and they’ve discussed it loads.

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    #181504
    FoxyFoxes
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    reminds me a little of this incident over here in Aus nearly 10 years ago.

    All the replays suggested there was no contact at all from the Perth player. A day later they managed to find a replay that clearly showed there was contact with his back leg which sent him off balance caused him to airswing. On top of that, the late Liam Miller (who allegedly committed the foul), some years later admitted he clipped his back leg causing him to go off balance. Everyone swore blind Berisha dived and that no way could someone react like that from the contact he got. The later replays and subsequent Miller confession proved otherwise. Yet so many physics experts masquerading as fans were sure it was a dive. It seems there always has to be a villain!

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    #181506
    Pagan
    Participant

    Mike, that’s why the laws of the game need changing, to either allow VAR to become involved in yellow card offences, or for Diving/Simulation/exaggeration to become a red card offence, personally I think it has to be the latter……….Pagan

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    #181507
    FoxyFoxes
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    so are you saying that after seeing those last two videos at those angles, you would have given Sterling a yellow if VAR allowed it?

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    #181508
    Chucky McChuckface
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    We seem to have two schools of thought in here…

    Nursery School who think any form of contact is a foul and the attacking player is allowed to put on an Osacr winning performance to make sure the peno is awarded… (rather than play the game)

    Grown-ups who remember ‘jumpers for goalposts’ and ‘Roy of the Rovers’ who think the above is cheating and the game is about scoring goals and being the better side, not winning free-kicks and peno’s…

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    #181509
    Pagan
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    No, There was contact and the ref gave what he saw, VAR shouldn’t overturn an on-field decision unless it’s a clear and obvious error, which it wasn’t. For me I’d like to see red cards for diving, which again this wasn’t, Stirling exaggerated the effect of the minimal contact, if the ref had given the decision against Stirling and booked him then fair enough, but as we know VAR can’t be used to give yellow cards.

    I personally have no problem with the penalty being give on Wednesday, the ref gave what he saw, my problem is with players being coached to make sure the ref sees something that didn’t happen, it’s a difficult one but basically players are pushing the boundaries of fact and honesty………Pagan

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    #181510
    FoxyFoxes
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    No Chucky, I think there are two completely separate debates. They are:
    Did Sterling dive?
    Was it a pen?
    The two can be mutually exclusive.

    I think, without doubt that Sterling did not dive. The contact from both sides forming a sandwich shows clear contact, twice from two different defenders. By the point that the second contact is made, he doesn’t even have a foot on the floor and so has no chance of staying on his feet.

    As for whether that was enough to give a pen, I think is a completely separate debate. I agree, you would feel agrieved if your team was on the receiving end, but there is definitely contact and when you make contact in the box you are opening yourself to refs being forced to make a decision. I think it’s a pen but I wouldn’t have been that fussed if it hadn’t been given. The Kane foul was far more clear a pen for me than Sterling’s

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    #181511
    FoxyFoxes
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    I see UEFA blocked that youtube clip, so here it is again.

    Sterling foul: alternative angle from soccer

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    #181512
    Brian blue
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    We have all ground this incident into the ground, which also makes me wonder just how much of it is down to the media wanting a story to rumble on, how much was it because it was Sterling, how much of it was because it was England? We see this kind of incident every week in every league, internationals,an CL, why is it so debatable. The game is over, of course insults will fly around, look at the Scottish Press the last few days but then again they can hardly be called a beacon of virtue. If the player had beenShaw or walker would the same fury be levelled? My last point is that a player running at speed with the ball is going to get clouted, no doubt about that, the player knows this but his mind would have to work faster than fast in a nano second to say he has done it purposely, IF he had got through those challenges he would have scored or he would have passed for somebody else to score. All conjecture but time to put it to bed I think

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    #181513
    Chucky McChuckface
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    I missed one, FF….

    Did Sterling even make a minuscule effort to stay on his feet? No, he didn’t… he felt some minute contact and feel down like a sack of Spuds (and before you say anything about the “2nd” contact, he was already falling and Foden was already claiming for, when the 2nd contact was made).

    That “play” was all about winning a penalty, not trying to score a goal.

    I’ve said it before, peno’s should only be given for denying a goal-scoring opportunity, not because it just happened in the box.

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    #181514
    Mikus LFC
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    For me, I find it better to look at it from the Danish point of view. They were getting progressively deeper in the game which is always a risk. You’re inviting pressure on yourselves, allowing more attacking opponents to run at you. And then you have to almost sandwich a player off the ball in your own box to try and stop an attack. Sorry, but that’s the risk you take in such things. We may not like this going down too easily malarkey. But given everyone does it and this is now the culture, bizarrely that does make it somewhat fair. So I’m sorry, but if you decide to hedge your bets, try and defend deep to get to penalties and invite pressure on you, I’m afraid you’re open to these risks. That’s the culture now. Everyone knows it. They just don’t like it when they’re on the receiving end of it, rather than gaining an advantage from it. That’s really the problem here.

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    #181515
    Luckydestiny
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    Lads, don’t listen to the nonsense in press or from envious fans of other home nations. There is such an anti British sentiment across Europe at the moment too. As someone who is as happy to be Welsh as I am British I hope with all my heart that you beat Italy. Best of luck lads, I see the final as 50/50 but England have done you proud and like Italy they deserve to be in the final more than anyone else.

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    #181516
    Chucky McChuckface
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    I’ve seen the movie, you’re bloody yank…

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    #181517
    Tugay is God
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    What are you on about Chucky? why would he try to stay on his feel when he has been clipped? he cant score when he has been clipped because he is off balance. Also, stay on your feel, or try to and you don’t get a pen. you don’t get rewarded for attempting to do “the right thing” so why would you?

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    #181518
    Brian blue
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    Thanks Lucky, I knew there was some sensible comments from outside England somewhere.

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    #181519
    Pagan
    Participant

    Tugay, if you get clipped and it’s not enough to send you to ground, but you decide to throw yourself to ground, then your exaggerating what happened, and exaggeration is really only another word for lying.

    The problem the game has, is that lying and cheating is now accepted as part of the game, and it’s now up to the ref to sort it out, unfortunately the players get really good at it, and instead of castigating the players we moan about the refs, and then we get VAR, and that’s gone well…….Pagan

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    #181520
    Pagan
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    Last word on this, it’s about personal beliefs and integrity, to use another sport, if you played cricket and you knicked the ball and it was caught behind, some people walk, others pretend they haven’t hit it, it’s just which camp you want to be in………..Pagan

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    #181521
    nine nine nine
    Moderator

    No one on here knows what it’s like to play football at the highest level and it’s pointless trying to compare it to other sports.

    Sterling was hit from both sides whether he went down too easily or not or whether the impact at the speed he was travelling with the ball at his feet took him down only he knows and there’s no simple yes no answer despite the assumed knowledge by so many.

    The only view that mattered was the Referees and he said it was a penalty and he’s the final arbitrator.

    All yesterday’s fish and chip paper now and as Brian rightly said after 4 days time to put it all to bed now.

    There’s a Final tomorrow!

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    #181522
    Nike19
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    I’ll stick the Kettle on 🙂

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    #181523
    Nike19
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    Pagan, I’m just purely thinking from a Physics point of view and just life experience from running and playing the sport myself irrespective of the level.

    It can only take a ‘clipping’ for somebody to go down – not that this is set for everyone and different people have different levels in physical strength but ultimately at Top Level, that was the right call. He was sandwiched too which I felt influenced his momentum.

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