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  • #181480
    Nike19
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    Srd, that’s the spirit mate – a Huge Thumbs Up to you 🙂

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    #181481
    Nike19
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    • This reply was modified 6 months, 1 week ago by Nike19.

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    #181483
    Chucky McChuckface
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    Okay, there were some angles in that one that I hadn’t seen before which certainly look like more contact was made than I originally thought… I’ll go that far… 🙂

    But as somebody who has played a lot of rugby and ice hockey, not buying for one minute that any “brief” contact means you fall over… he felt it, as minimal as it was, and fell over as quickly as gravity would allow with no effort whatsoever to stay on his feet, something which I sure can be attributed to the fact he was in the penalty box, a mysterious place where normal laws of physics don’t apply!

    Unfortunately, for the game in general, we’ve now reached a stage whereby any contact is a foul when it suits people…

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    #181484
    Blaze
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    Chuck couldn’t describe it any better, while I’m glad England are in the final I hate this you can’t even touch a player and he goes down and to make it worse the refs robotic arm invariably points to the spot , how times have changed we had to endure an almost broken leg to get a penalty not that long ago either. Makes me sick irrespective what player from whatever team does it.

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    #181486
    Tugay is God
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    Well what a day that was. The atmosphere in Wembley was electric. One of the best things I have ever experienced live. Not got a ticket for Sunday, but I’ll take seeing England beat the Germans and winning a semi final! With regards to the booing of the national anthems, its been happening for years. Its fans trying to get into the opposition’s heads. Long may it continue!

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    #181487
    Anonymous

    A snap online poll by TV show Good Day UK found that 77 percent of fans in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland will be supporting Italy.

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    #181488
    steveosnakeeye
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    It’s standard surprised it’s not higher
    Had a zoom with some chaps
    One taff and he is openly supporting Italy

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    #181489
    Brian blue
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    Moos…I am surprised it is not 99%!!!!!! Personally, with friends and family dotted around the countries could not care less

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    #181490
    Brian blue
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    Chuky..it is the way the “modern” game has developed I am afraid. It is not just penalties either, winning free kicks for marginal fouls within shooting distance of goal is very evident now. I would go as far as to say some would call it a ligitimate tactic. If we accept one, which we have already done way back, then you accept it as a “norm”. sad really but hope we see some decent football in between such events. Cheers

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    #181491
    Brian blue
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    Chuky…as a PS…we are getting closer to a non contact game

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    #181492
    Anonymous

    More than 35,000 football fans have signed an online petition calling on UEFA to re-play the Euro 2020 semi-final between England and Denmark again.

    👉🏼Daily Mirror

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    #181493
    Nike19
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    Clear Penalty Once Again.

    People have a Problem with it because it’s England and deep down they don’t like England yet the same individuals that will come on here to comment re their Club Teams.

    What World and What People Quite Frankly When It Comes Down To It All.

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    #181494
    FoxyFoxes
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    Agreed, those two clips posted are absolutely conclusive that there was contact. Dermot Gallagher did a piece on Sky stating why he agreed that VAR made the right decision once the ref had called it. He said it was “harsh” but by the letter of the law it’s a pen. I’ll state again, when you are running at speed and you get the slightest of sideways touch on your ankle or knees, you are going to fall over, end of. Chucky, refer back to my ankle taps comment. Happens all the time in Union and sends a 15st player to the ground. Don’t see why football is any different. It’s simple biomechanics and gravity

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    #181495
    Pagan
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    Nil, I don’t think anyone has said there was no contact, but let’s be honest there wasn’t enough to send him tumbling to the ground. The bottom line is he felt a bit of contact, and exaggerated how much and went to ground. The key word there is exaggerated, (regarded or represented as larger, better, or worse than in reality) so not the truth, so your making the referee think he’s seen something that hasn’t happened. The problem is, when do you draw the line, is any slight contact a foul?

    Players get lauded for staying on their feet, but throwing themselves to the ground at the slightest thought is justified by phrases like “he had a right to go down” or “there was definitely a bit of contact” it’s not a very good reflection on society when being honest and truthful is something out of the ordinary and lying and cheating is accepted as the norm……..Pagan

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    #181496
    Blaze
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    Pagan exactly, I hate it as well even when Chelsea players go down so easily, the problem is they not doing anything to eradicate it from the game and it does leave an empty feeling should the team you support go on to win because of it. For those that don’t care then I’m afraid then you given up on honour and justice. Plus it’s alway appears to be the same players which tells you they don’t have to fall down if others don’t. There’s some in every team.

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    #181497
    Chucky McChuckface
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    Foxy, with regards to your ankle taps nonsense, do remember it’s a legitimate tactic to try and knock a player on his arse in both ice hockey and rugby, and if you ‘fell’ down in either game following the level of contact that knocked poor Sterling flying into the next universe, you would be considered a bit of a pussy or a Goonie, and would quite rightly have the piss taken out of all-night during aftergame beers.

    Was there contact? Yes, there was.
    Was there enough contact to actually knock him over? No, there wasn’t.
    Did he make a meal of it to “win” a penalty? Yes, he did.
    Was it a peno “under the letter of the law”? Yes, it was.
    Was it a peno “in the spirit of the game”? No, it bloody wasn’t.
    Does everybody do it? Unfortunately, yes.

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    #181498
    mancunian_mike
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    Hi all. I’m a bit surprised at how long the debate about Sterling’s penalty/dive has rumbled on. We’ve seen softer and softer penalties given for a number of seasons now and usually the furore is over after a day or so. We’ve also seen clear penalties not given this season when players have tried to stay on their feet. I don’t condone diving and I think it’s the worst aspect of the game, however I’ve also seen England knocked out of tournaments many times due, in part, to what I would call underhand tactics; Maradonna’s handball, Someone’s dive and Ronaldo’s play acting and wink are the first that spring to mind; I doubt Argentina or Portugal fans spent so much time agonising over the advantage they gained in each case. And for anyone saying only the English fans are in denial over this I have no idea what you’ve been watching as literally every English pundit, fan or commentator with a soapbox has stated it was soft. From the replays there was contact, yes it was minimal, and yes Sterling made the most of it, however it’s worth noting that Denmark’s goal was from a free kick given for a far more blatant dive, so Danish fans are the last people who can moan about this; if you live by the sword you die by the sword. Until VAR starts to deal with diving these soft and dubious free kicks and penalties will remain.

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    #181499
    Pagan
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    Is contact a foul? That’s the question. If a player puts his hand on another’s shoulder, is that a foul? can the player that has been touched go to ground? The fact of the matter is, it’s the opinion of the referee on whether it was foul play, whether the contact was enough to unbalance a player. The problem we now have is the degree of contact required to send a player tumbling is reducing every season, are the laws of physics changing or is it being coached?

    As I’ve said before, if we all fell over in real life, with the minimal contact we see in professional football, then the January sales would be carnage……Pagan

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    #181500
    Pagan
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    VAR currently is not a deterrent for diving, yes it can change the decision, but diving is a yellow card offence, and VAR can’t be used to punish yellow card offences, if the laws of the game were changed to make diving a red card offence, which when all said and done it should be as it’s blatant cheating then we may see a change, but until then we’re carrying on down the road to a non contact game……….Pagan

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    #181501
    mancunian_mike
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    I agree with you Pagan, VAR should be amended and should concentrate on diving above everything else; a quick word in the refs ear ‘that was a dive, give him a yellow’ absolutely anywhere on the field at any time of the match; I think that would hugely reduce the amount of diving and ultimately make the refs job easier as they would have far more confidence that when a player goes down they’ve actually been fouled.
    They wouldn’t even have to change the laws as
    ‘attempts to deceive the referee e.g. by feigning injury or pretending to have been fouled (simulation)’ are already punishable by a yellow card. Makes me wonder why we simply don’t see bookings for it anymore, I can’t remember one in any competition this season and yet I see this law broken clearly every single game.

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