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  • #220923
    Rover
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      Well we still have to get rid of Jackson plus a whole lot more. They don’t seem to be too bothered about all those extra highly paid players who are not included in the squad, what they going to do with them. Nobody really even wants them.

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      #220987
      aindro
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        Rover: indeed. We do need to trim the squad. I would categorize our squad in regards to transfers as following. And I don’t mention any of the new players as I think they won’t be sold straight away. I don’t mention the youngsters either for now.

        Untouchable:
        – James
        – Colwill
        – Cucurella
        – Caicedo
        – Enzo
        – Neto
        – Palmer
        – Lavia
        – Fofana
        – Tosin

        Preferably stay but can leave in case of a good offer:
        – Jackson
        – Madueke
        – Dewsbury Hall
        – Chalobah
        – Jorgensen/Sanchez
        – Gusto

        Should leave despite can be useful squad players :
        – Badiashile
        – Nkunku

        Must sell or loan out as no place for them in the squad:
        – Chilwell
        – Datro Fofana
        – Disasi
        – Sterling
        – Ugochukwu
        – Broja
        – Joao Felix
        – Petrovic

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        #221085
        Wise-fan
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          If we sell Madueke to Arsenal for around £45-55 million and replace him with Kudus for about £50-60 million, I’m all for it. Kudus is an upgrade over Madueke and will guarantee us goals from the right wing. Gittens, who was signed today, is touted to play on the left wing, but I’m not sure what he will bring to the team.

          Having watched Estevao recently, he looks like the real deal. However, at just 18, he’s still a raw talent and may need a loan in the Premier League to develop. With Neto and Kudus on the right wing, we should be well-stocked there. On the left, though, we’re still short, with Gittens being our only specialist.

          I feel Delap needs more time to adapt to what Maresca wants from him. It might take a season or two before he really hits the ground running. João Pedro doesn’t inspire much confidence in terms of scoring goals regularly despite his impressive cameo against Palmerias. If we add Kudus, who has the potential to score 10-15 goals, plus the 10-15 we might get from Palmer, and let’s say 15-20 from Delap and Jackson, we could have a solid offensive lineup.

          Our main focus now should be on getting a new goalkeeper. Milan’s Mike Maignan fits the bill perfectly, and if we can also add Benfica’s Andre Silva at center-back, this summer could be excellent for Chelsea.

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          #221086
          aindro
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            Gittens is officially a Chelsea player. I also only saw Estevao from this CWC. But I think quality wise, he looks to be pretty good. Of course he would need some time to adapt in a new country, new climate, new league but once he will pass that period: I think he will be a fantastic player for Chelsea. Also I hope that Maresca retains Andrey Santos, another Brazilian. He wasn’t bad. With James & Lavia injury record: we will need Santos.

            I also wasn’t convinced of Joao Pedro. But yesterday after only less than 2 days with the team & came straight away from vacation: he looked really at ease in this team. With a Brazilian contingent in Pedro & Santos and Portuguese speaking players like Neto & Essugo: hopefully Estevao will settle quicker.

            Wise-fan: Kudus seems to be out of pattern. He will be 25 next month. I have a doubt that Chelsea want him

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            #221089
            Blueisbest
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              Keep KDH excellent squad player and always puts in a hard shift when on. Sell the rest as mentioned above. Club has too much overheads.

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              #221142
              aindro
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                I think that Chelsea have done well for the transfers. Maresca (I hope they are his targets) knew the players he wanted and Chelsea got them quickly. We’ve got to stop though. No buying without selling. We just got a fine around 30m for the (suspicious) sale of Chelsea hotel. We need to be able to comply with the PSR rules. I did not really have doubts about this during Abramovich era as he was very rich and Chelsea FC was his only football club. But Boehly & co have several clubs under their ownership and we can’t be sure of their priorities. Look at what happened to Lyon, a legendary football club in France. I was living in France not far from Lyon during their glory days early 2000s. And they still did reasonably well recently, just PSG were better. Look at them now.

                I don’t want Chelsea to fall into this trap where we spent too big and violate PSR. We have spent enormous since Boehly & co came in Caicedo, Enzo, Palmer, Neto and now Delap, Joao Pedro and Gittens. I don’t remember us selling anybody meaningful in term of money coming in. Maatsen, Gallagher and Lewis Hall all were sold under 50m. Last time we sold big was Mason Mount.

                If Arsenal want to pay for Madueke, IMO he should not be untouchable and we have to sell him. I hope that the money will be above 55m poundsterling for Madueke to match Gittens transfer fee. And with Delap & Pedro in, if there’s offer for Jackson, I think we need to listen to it too.

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                #221155
                Ed de Goey
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                  I’ve never been convinced about Madueke, his decision making and final product always tends to leave a lot to be desired. If we can skin Arsenal then we should sell.

                  On another note, we have made about 65m from the CWC.

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                  #221174
                  Rover
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                    Im enjoying the CWC tournament however end of the day the winner will almost certainly be from tomorrow’s semi final not tonight’s. Club also needs the money to balance the books against those ridiculous PL, FA and Uefa rules. And it’s also a chance to weed out those unnecessary players and find the best available squad.

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                    #221189
                    aindro
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                      Rover, totally agreed that the winner would probably comes from tomorrow’s match. But still, a final is a one off. Remember we did beat Bayern 2012 and then City 2021 when they were heavily favourite. So the most important thing is to win the semifinal this afternoon. One match at a time. Me too I am surprised about this CWC. I wasn’t interested at the beginning about this competition. But it’s streamed free on DAZN, so I tried to watch. And most of the matches IMO have been highly entertaining despite the difficult weather condition.

                      Back to the topic, I don’t think we have any choice. If Arsenal come with an acceptable offer, we should sell Madueke. We need to balance the book. The problem is will they? Mark my words, they will lowball us. They still have one more target in Eze, who is a more established player than Madueke. I believe Arsenal’s first offer will be unreasonably low and as we bought Madueke for around 25m pound, for me I would’t sell if Arsenal lowball us.

                      I am starting to worry about the silence situation on the transfer (out) situation. No further news on Petrovic. 0 news about Felix, Sterling, Disasi, Chilwell: the high earners without squad numbers. Only news are about Madueke & Chukwuemeka, who shouldn’t be amongst our high earners

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                      #221195
                      Ed de Goey
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                        I like Felix, I think it would be an error to let him go. The goals he did score were quality and we have a lot of games next season; we can’t field a 2nd XI as we did in the Conference League last season. I expect him to go, but I just think it’s a shame because he possesses quality.

                        As for Madueke, if the club get lowballed then we tell Arsenal where to go. He is under contract until June 30, 2031. No reason to accept a low price, especially as he is 23. I suspect we can extract a decent fee from Arsenal, they’ve gone to the trouble of settling personal terms with him already.

                        We don’t want to fall down the United rabbit hole of getting ripped off when we try to sell players, and to be fair to the management we’re well-positioned to avoid this as the players aren’t on crazy Sancho/Rashford style wages.

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                        #221281
                        aindro
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                          I don’t like Felix. Not a team player. He wasn’t a hit at Atletico, Barcelona or recently AC Milan. Not sure why we bought him.

                          It’s only 2 natches against Brazilian opponents, but Joao Pedro showed better promise than Jackson. He is classy but also clinical.

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                          #221287
                          Blueisbest
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                            Aindro Felix is a far better player than Nkunku or Jackson however his also not the finished article so his going. I can’t wait to see the back of Jackson or Nkunku. We can rather give game time to the likes of Esteeve or George or even Walsh who has great sublime skills.

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                            #221290
                            Zizi
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                              Great to see us in the CWC final didn’t expect it at the start, but things have aligned nicely and we might just win it. That said, one concern remains, after scoring, we tend to drop the tempo and invite pressure. Against teams like PSG or Madrid, that approach could cost us dearly. When was the last time we won a game comfortably from start to finish? On transfers, I fully agree with Ed and Blueisthebest Felix is a smart creative player who clearly loves the club. He won’t complain about limited minutes, so why not keep him and save the money? As for Petrovic, I really rate him and believe selling him would be a big mistake. He’s already proven to be better than what we have, and I wouldn’t be surprised if a club like City picks him up in a few years. he has the potential to be one of the best. As for Madueke, I will only sell to Arsenal if they will pay $50m plus add-ons, otherwise, as NINE would put it ‘I wouldn’t sell them a virus’!

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                              #221291
                              Ed de Goey
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                                Blue – I agree regarding Felix. He has quality, but joined us during another chaotic transfer window where it was sink or swim and he had a lot of competition. He scored quality goals for us and showed genuine class. Much better than Nkunku, and after the Fluminense game I’m done with Jackson – he has bad temperament and poor decision making. He has good physical attributes but I doubt he will ever be top class. We won’t win anything serious with him as our CF.

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                                #221292
                                Ed de Goey
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                                  Zizi – yes, a top class goalkeeper is one of the key signings we need to make. This is one area where the club needs to relax over its policy of signing youngsters. Top goalies have much more mileage and they are invaluable in providing confidence to a defence and being consistent in their distribution.

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                                  #221295
                                  aindro
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                                    Blueisbest & Zizi & Ed de Goey: while Felix’s potential is enormous, he isn’t even in Maresca’s plan. Madueke at least is in Naresca’s plan. And to avoid what happened to Lyon, we have to start selling some of our players. I reckon Felix, Madueke, Nkunku & Petrovic will get us some money. We just can’t pile up players like that, our squad is so bloated. Who would buy Sterling? Who would buy Chilwell? Some players aren’t sellable anymore. At least we got a bit of money from Kepa.

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                                    #221296
                                    Ed de Goey
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                                      Aindro – We’re not on different wavelengths, I just think it’s a shame we can’t find room for Felix. If we can skin Arsenal for Madueke, then yes let’s get rid. He flatters to deceive anyway and has poor decision making – he’s perfect for Arsenal.

                                      Sterling/Chilwell – we just have to let them go on loan and save some wages. But this does extol the virtues of the new regime’s wage strategy.

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                                      #221303
                                      Rover
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                                        Arsenal submitted a bid of 50m for Madueke which I hear has been rejected. I think they should take it, it’s a lot of money for a player who flatters to deceive. Hope they know what they doing. After all the financial misgivings dont have much faith in them.

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                                        #221304
                                        aindro
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                                          Ed de Goey: no we’re not. At all. We want Chelsea not going under from PSR. Sterling & Chilwell I think we’re gonna stuck with them until the end of their contract. I agree with you to send them on loan. At least we won’t pay their full salary.

                                          Rover: nah, Chelsea want at least 55m pound for Madueke. We need to do like Dortmund for Gittens. Other news: Bournemouth submitted an offer close to 25m for Petrovic. Same thing, I would hold first as Sunderland are also interested

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                                          #221323
                                          Ed de Goey
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                                            Chelsea should hold out for 55m guaranteed, plus add-ons, for Madueke. There is absolutely no need to be lowballed.

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