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  • #20490
    nine nine nine
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      Mourinho is far from perfect both personally and professionally and I understand why he draws the emotive views he does from fans especially opposition fans.

      But apart from the fact that 3 of the 4 Managers cited above as being better than Mourinho have never won a major title whilst managing in the PL and the combined trophies and achievements of all of Klopp, Pochettino, Dyche and Benitez who are all suggested as far superior managers to Mourinho don’t add up to the trophies and achievements of Mourinho across 4 different Leagues with perhaps his greatest achievement being beating the Barca team that was rated at the time as the best club side the world had ever seen to the La Liga title.

      Yes Mourinho can be a prize plum at times and yes his mentality of being a winner often offends some of his players and fans but the majority who have played for Mourinho have won titles under him and been managed by him for any length of time will tell you that he’s the best Manager they have ever played for and they probably know him better than any of those whose only experience of him is from what they have seen of him on TV.

      Would I have Mourinho back at Chelsea? No not for a third time but I will always be grateful to Mourinho for the trophies won and foundations he laid at Chelsea .

      Would I rule out Mourinho winning another PL title at United? No but it won’t be easy given how good this City side are and who they are planning to sign in the Summer.

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      #20491
      maverick1973
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        I welcomed him at Real, but he was too much embroiled in skirmish with other professionals and as per norm in his tenure with clubs, he just goes into a tangent.You are a Liverpool fan Nil,lol.

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        #20493
        nine nine nine
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          Mick Far, if it was as easy as just throwing money at it City and United would have both been sharing PL titles over the last two seasons. And isn’t Liverpool’s excellent run of form since January partly down to the record transfer fee of £75m for a defender that they invested in VVD in the January window?

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          #20495
          Mick Far
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            I’m primarily a lover of this beautiful game. If you read the points made above then will then as evidence of Mourinho’s managerial acumen, does he leave clubs with a solid platform for future success and a healthy youth structure feeding the first team? Financially, stable clubs with sensible wage structures who if Arab/Russian Oligarchs get bored and sell, can continue equally successfully? Or does he blow crazy money in a couple of seasons and turn players and hierarchy against him and display the traits we tech our children not to..
            History is full of Busby, Shankly, Paisley, Raniere, Conte, Guardiola etc etc who don’t behave appallingly and were/are winners.
            There’s a reason patience is thin with Mourinho and the parting from Utd will be eye watering and probably his last top top team…

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            #20496
            nine nine nine
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              Mick, by the way Chelsea had a net spend of £4.1m when they won the PL title in 2014/15 and a spend of plus £17.8m when they won the title in 2016/17.

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              #20497
              Mick Far
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                99 9 Exactly, you confirm my point about Mourinho. Despite throwing money at UTD in 4 transfer windows, he was no where near winning the league!
                Klopp’s net spend is £5 mill across those windows (like Poch) so your point about buying VVD is?

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                #20498
                Mick Far
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                  By then they had spent their crazy money to leep frog to the top..
                  Not difficult to trickle feed after you’ve bought your team

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                  #20499
                  nine nine nine
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                    Mick Far, as I said imo Mourinho laid down the foundations for much of Chelsea’s future success following his departure in 2007.

                    I’ve agreed that Mourinho can be a prize plum at times and you’re right in the main Mourinho goes for the here and now which tends to limit the opportunities of young players.

                    But that’s the way of the world now mate and the days of the Busby’s, Shankly’s and Paisley’s are long gone there’s no time given to anyone in the PL anymore circa 15 months is the average managerial tenure now and the days of the likes of Fergie and Wenger with 20 plus years at one club are long gone and you need patience and length of tenure to properly bring through young players to regular first team players?

                    Even Pep only gave Bayern 3 seasons.

                    Yes both City and Chelsea have benefitted from rich owners but both club’s are now entirely self sufficient and United are certainly self sufficient.

                    By the way who do you support? If I was a betting man my money would be on Liverpool!?

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                    #20501
                    Mick Far
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                      The reality check is the Mourinho smoke-screen of second place by 1 or 4 points is hiding the rapid erosion of wage structure, homegrown talent and values at Man U. It’s very difficult to put that right after someone has chosen that route to “success.”

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                      #20502
                      Chucky McChuckface
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                        Got to do it… 🙂

                        YooUtd are self-supporting on credit-cards…
                        City are self-supporting thanks to “dodgy” sponsership deals…
                        Chelsea are self-supporting by selling the 4,000 players they bought during the “non” self-supporting years….

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                        #20503
                        Chucky McChuckface
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                          Banjo’s hacked my account again… bloody Malmo cockwomble!

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                          #20504
                          nine nine nine
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                            i agree Klopp’s bought and sold well in the transfer market and the good sales have kept his net spends low just as they did at Chelsea in both the title winning seasons.. I’ll leave it there now. Cheers 999

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                            #20506
                            Chucky McChuckface
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                              Actually, Pool’s transfer window is going to be interesting, despite claims they still have a wedge (who really knows?), Rip Van Winkle, Salah and this German lad were about 160 and they got about 146 (with add-ons) for Wee Phil…

                              Perhaps we’ll be hearing the “nobody in the market” excuse come August?? Time will tell on that one…

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                              #20508
                              Mick Far
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                                Ross County’s my team thanks.
                                It’s a bold statement you make about financial security 9 99. Let’s see how things work out over the next decade as financial constraints are applied more effectively to clubs and the last decade of big spenders are given greater competition. The Chelsea Mourinho benefitted 11 years ago (2007,) how’s that looking for next season without another massive NET spend? If as you say, these superb Mourinho foundations were laid a decade ago???
                                I think the best young talent from Stamford Bridge in the last 5 years, is currently playing for City, Liverpool and Man U?

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                                #20509
                                nine nine nine
                                Moderator

                                  PSG are reportedly going to have to sell Mbape in order to comply with FFP having been under investigation by UEFA?

                                  Liverpool are circa £70m up on the Coutinho deal having bought VVD and would they have bought VVD for £75m had they not sold Coutinho for circa £140m? Probably not.

                                  In the summer they have Keita arriving which takes care of the balance of the Coutinho money.

                                  The last Liverpool accounts showed a profit of circa £39m after a previous loss so currentky they don’t have significant profits to fund a Summer transfer window splurge other than Keita they will obviously have some money to spend but it won’t be hundreds of millions without they sell players again because that would impact on FFP.

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                                  #20510
                                  nine nine nine
                                  Moderator

                                    …..same applies to Chelsea by the way some money will be made available by the club for transfers but the balance and anything dignificant will have to be funded by player sales in order to comply with FFP.

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                                    #20512
                                    nine nine nine
                                    Moderator

                                      Mick, you clearly don’t know too much about Chelsea’s Academy teams and the significant successes of those teams inc League titles, European titles and FA Youth Cups the fifth Final in a row reached across 5 season matching the Busby Bsbes 5 in a row.

                                      There’s a whole host of exciting young players at Chelsea and out on loan the majority of which have been at the club from 8 years of age when are capable of coming through to the first team Hudson Odoi looks an outstanding prospect Christensen although at Chelsea from 15 has come through and established himself as a first team regular and there are plenty of others coming through.

                                      Loftus Cheek and Tammy Abraham have only recently been capped by England so there’s plenty more on the production line but bringing them through from the Academy player to first team player is the task but Christensen is already proving it can be done.

                                      Football is cyclical mate and nothing lasts forever which is why United have gone from completely dominating the PL to scrambling around for a top 4 place and why Liverpool haven’t won a League title in almost 20 years after completely dominating the League previously.

                                      The spine of Mourinho’s 2004/05 Chelsea title winning team of Cech, Terry,Lampard and Drogba continued winning titles Cups and the Champions Lesgue right up until 2012 and beyond!

                                      I’m looking forward to reading your future posts and seeing how they confirm your support for Ross County aren’t they trailing Celtic by circa 50 points in the SPL?

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                                      #20515
                                      Mick Far
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                                        I like you look forward to the next few years of watching Chelsea and Man U demonstrate their financial propriety whilst trophies role in, due to sensible management.
                                        It’s weird UEFA had to explore control of certain big teams buying most of Europe’s youth talent and farming them out in huge numbers across Europe…
                                        I just can’t recollect which teams were implicated can you? Or who was managing those teams?? 🙂
                                        I’m happy to wax lyrical about Ross County and their role in bringing regional youth upto Premiership standard. Great club, run responsibly on a shoe string and competed like Caley Thistle with the financial dominant. 🙂

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                                        #20516
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                                          Of Pep, Klopp, Poch and Jose, only the latter has won the CL with a really unfancied side (twice!).

                                          I’d be very surprised in fact if Utd aren’t top or close to the top when looking at head to head results amongst the top 6 this season. It’s, surprisingly, the games against the lesser sided Utd have faltered in this season.

                                          Liverpool’s squad cost only marginally less than Real Madrid and more than both Bayern’s and Roma’s so Liverpool are certainly not poor either.

                                          Mourinho’s ego and attitude will no doubt see the end of his Utd career sooner or later rather than his ability to manage which is, arguably, unmatched as his record shows.

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                                          #20517
                                          whoisbeni
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                                            Liverpool have been shopping in the corner-shop Ed, when compared to United and City and previously Chelsea. All of whom are/were shopping in Fortnum & Mason.

                                            Stan Collmores table of the last 5 years net spend is quite telling and I’m sure the level of wages follows a similar structure, which is where Liverpool struggle against United & City.

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