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  • #168368
    Nike19Nike19
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    It made me think 442 on the back of your post what the EFL Championship would look like and would they remain a make up of 24 teams or would there be an increase up to 26?

    That would make that division jam-packed playing 50 games.

    It makes me think how the top flight coped. We’re always going on about fixture congestion, but Champions League was also around in the mid 90s.

    United achieved the Domestic Treble. I don’t know why it feels in the modern day as your back being constantly against the wall and why time is in short supply.

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    #168370
    442
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    Clubs simply need to start living within their budgets. It is really that simple. If a club cannot afford a player, develop one or find someone lower down the league with the ability to step up who is in budget. If a club has to spend outside of its means it isnt sustainable. Im sure there are more Jamie Vardy’s down the ladder who can step up… There are former England internationals in the Championship playing, is it really so hard?

    Here’s an interesting feature… About Salford City and a wage bill of 32,000K per week. It is the reason clubs go bust.
    https://www.devonlive.com/sport/salford-manchester-united-david-beckham-2860916

    In order to stop greedy clubs chasing the pot of gold, money from the top needs to be better spent or more given to lower league clubs, but that will not enable them to be self sufficient and will develop a dependency more so than currently with parachute payments.

    This argument that less games and more money for the top clubs will improve our European cup chances… since 1999, English clubs have won the Champions league 5 times. French Football has winter breaks and has won the competition zero times in the last twenty years. Italian clubs have won the competition three times in twenty years and have winter breaks, Only one German side has won the Champions League, Bayern three times in 20 years and theyre supposedly one of the best run clubs on the planet. United won it three times so on paper there is nothing between Bayern and United.

    Interesting stats? I dunno, but I think people are starting to see through the horseshit the premier League are offering here. Its just do clubs want to go bust or accept being bent over a barrel and forced into something they dont want. Let em fold and come back under fan ownership.

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    #168371
    442
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    nike, It just feels like the Premier League is trying to railroad the football league… their is no premiership football without the EFL. Its that simple.

    My maths is awful but 250 million divided up between 70 league clubs is 3.5 million roughly per club?

    Try this from the championship: “The figures cover the 2018-19 campaign and show that overall revenue increased by five per cent on the previous year, to a record £785 million.

    Yet clubs’ wage bills also rose by five per cent, to £837 million – 107 per cent of their income.

    The potential damage yet to come from coronavirus is illustrated by the fact that the 24 teams made 21 per cent of their revenue from match day income.”

    https://inews.co.uk/sport/football/championship-wages-efl-deloitte-report-salary-cap-443094

    So if an average championship club is spending nearly 35 million on running itself. (837 divided by 24)
    The payment of 250 million from the Premier League is not even a ripple in the lower league pond.

    Let em fold and start again…

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    #168373
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    I did wonder Adlab when you’d mention the influence of the evil clubs in red! 🙂 In fairness Adlab, City are expected to be in support of this too, as are most of the other clubs proposed to be given the “special status” funnily enough. It’s a fair point though.

    It does concern me that this has all been drafted up by wealthy Americans. You only have to look at the franchise setup with no relegation in the MLS to get an idea of what is potentially the end game here.

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    #168374
    nine nine nine
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    “Leyton Orient Chairman Nigel Travis has warned some Football League clubs “won’t make it beyond another two months” unless they receive financial support and has urged talks around Project Big Picture to be wrapped up in three to four weeks.

    Travis has given his support to the bold proposals of Project Big Picture, which would provide EFL clubs with a vital £250million bail-out.

    Orient were already due to make a loss of £1million this season, but Covid-19 has added £1.5m to that and the Government’s refusal to allow fans into grounds has increased it by a further £500,000.

    Travis is putting money into the club to keep them going, but he has warned that others could go out of business in six weeks if a support package isn’t agreed.”

    Standard 13/10

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    #168375
    LuckydestinyLuckydestiny
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    Was listening to talk sport and Simon Jordan said to protect the national game they should be granted government loan to be paid back over 15 years with prem covering interest. Not sure if that is possible but if it was it could put the future if the EFL in its own hands, which for better or worse would be a more favourable option for most it seems.

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    #168376
    PaganPagan
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    If the deal they have come up with is so good, why will they insist on protected prem status?…..Pagan

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    #168378
    nine nine nine
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    Pagan, I very much doubt the proposal that will be presented to all the PL Clubs this week is the one that will actually progress and if there is to be any progress the final proposal that potentially may or may not get voted on will look very different.

    The proposal talks of special status rather than protected PL status, special status seemingly is to give the 6/9 Clubs greater say on PL issues going forwards.

    Pity Sky can’t cover this week’s PL meeting live I suspect it will be a good watch.😊

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    #168386
    442
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    Might have been posted before but a good read.

    https://theathletic.co.uk/1729003/2020/04/08/premier-league-finances-accounts-newcastle-palace/

    Seems otherworldly

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    #168393
    nine nine nine
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    “Premier League clubs will have the chance to debate the details of Project Big Picture for the first time as representatives of the top-tier’s 20 sides gather for a shareholders’ meeting today.

    The virtual meeting comes against the backdrop of an eye-catching intervention from Football Association chairman Greg Clarke.

    Project Big Picture envisages vast changes to the infrastructure of the game in England, including a reduction to 18 Premier League teams, the end of the Carabao Cup, controversial changes to voting rights and a sizeable financial settlement for the EFL.

    Clarke criticised the proposals in a letter to the FA Council ahead of their meeting on Thursday, accusing the “the concentration of power and wealth in the hands of a few clubs, with a breakaway league mooted as a threat”.

    Clarke added: “I, of course, discontinued my involvement and counselled a more consensus-based approach involving all Premier League clubs and its chair and CEO. Our game needs to continually seek to improve but benefits need to be shared.”

    Clarke warned that the FA could use its so-called ‘golden share’ as a trump card if it felt the wider interests of the game were being compromised and suggested any breakaway competition would not receive the necessary sanctions from the governing body

    “We, the FA Board and Council, have to ensure that any changes would be to the long-term benefit of the whole of football and we have substantial controls to help ensure that the best interests of the game are served by any new proposals,” he said.

    “Change must benefit clubs, fans and players, not just selective balance sheets. In these difficult times unity, transparency and common purpose must override the interests of the few.”

    The plans have also been championed by EFL chairman Rick Parry with teams in the Championship, League One and League Two in line to receive £250million up front alongside a promise of a handsomely increased 25 per cent share of future Premier League broadcast revenue.

    Support among the 72 EFL clubs appeared to be soaring after separate divisional meetings helmed by Parry on Tuesday, though his moves have reportedly been considerably less well received by a majority of Premier League clubs outside the elite names.

    Former Leeds chairman Peter Ridsdale, representing Preston, said there were “no dissenting voices” in the Championship call, Burton Albion chief executive Jez Moxey described League One support as “unanimous” and Leyton Orient chairman Nigel Travis talked said excitement about the plans was “overwhelming”.

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    Ridsdale sounded a note of caution about the motives of those driving the changes but felt the offer of assistance was too important to overlook given the financial backdrop.

    “Is it a concern? 100 per cent it is. Do I trust them? No I don’t. However, the Football League has got a unique opportunity if this remains on the table to perhaps protect the Football League in the long term,” he said.

    The Football Supporters’ Association have taken an altogether more sceptical view , deeming PBP a “sugar-coated cyanide pill offered up by billionaire owners who do not understand or care about our football culture”.

    A joint statement from supporters’ groups representing Liverpool, Manchester United, Manchester City, Tottenham, Arsenal and Chelsea followed, in which all six made clear their opposition to the initiative in its current form.” E.Standard 14/10

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    #168395
    442
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    999.. Got to ask why is Peter Risdale still in the game? No offence but why would anybody trust a man with his dismal track record at the top end. He is exactly the reason why clubs get themselves into trouble. Leeds have only just recovered by being back in the top flight. No wonder he’s so keen on getting more free money.. Oh and under his watch this has happened to PNE. The guy has a track record of running clubs into the ground.
    https://www.lep.co.uk/news/latest-figures-show-big-financial-loss-preston-north-end-1887705

    I think the EFL and names above who are supportive of it are actually trying to be conciliatory. They need the cash handout. They have ruined their own clubs by overspending and not balancing books and now are on the side of the road cap in hand waiting for the Rolls Royce to pass by tossing burning notes out the window.

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    #168397
    nine nine nine
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    442, I wouldn’t trust Peter Risdale to walk my dogs mate but the Standard article is merely reporting the feed back on what various interested parties have said of course the EFL Clubs are positive of the proposal why wouldn’t they be but what Greg Clarke has said is far more meaningful.

    What the PL Clubs outside of the 6 have to say will be even more interesting imo as I’ve said previously what eventually comes of this if anything eventually does come of it will be very very different to what’s in the initial proposal imo.

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    #168400
    maverick1973maverick1973
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    442-That is a brilliant article.Something has to be done.

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    #168401
    nine nine nine
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    Unsurprisingly!

    “The Premier League have agreed an urgent strategy review involving all 20 clubs after Project Big Picture was rejected at a meeting on Wednesday.

    The vote ends any chance of the current proposals – which were being driven by leading figures at Manchester United and Liverpool with support from the English Football League chairman Rick Parry – from being implemented in their current guise, although they could still be used as a model to draw up a new framework that will revamp the English pyramid.

    The emergency meeting saw those Premier League clubs not included in the ‘Big Six’ voice their opposition to Project Big Picture, which would have seen a significant proportion of power afforded to United and Liverpool as well as Chelsea, Arsenal, Manchester City and Tottenham Hotspur.

    The other 14 clubs opposed Project Big Picture, while the ‘Big Six’ were not entirely on board with the plans, which had been forged in secret talks between Liverpool, United and Parry over the last three years. At the meeting there was some expression of upset with how Parry has gone about his actions this week, having gone on the record with his comments about Project Big Picture when the story originally broke on Sunday.

    With the Premier League following the Football Association in speaking out against Project Big Picture, the plans are essentially dead in the water.

    However, it’s understood that the Premier League stakeholders agreed in principle a financial bailout for the EFL, which would see funds go towards the clubs in League One and League Two. That still needs to be offered to the EFL, which could yet be rejected by the Championship.

    A Premier League statement read: “Premier League Shareholders today unanimously agreed to work together as a 20-club collective on a strategic plan for the future structures and financing of English football.

    “Premier League clubs also agreed that Project Big Picture will not be endorsed by the Premier League, any of its clubs or The FA.”

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    #168402
    maverick1973maverick1973
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    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-8838489/Premier-League-clubs-reject-Project-Big-Picture-plans-meeting.html

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    #168403
    maverick1973maverick1973
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    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-8831315/How-Premier-Leagues-reputation-fell-gutter.html
    Brian is spot on,the world has gone completely bonkers.

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    #168404
    PaganPagan
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    Thankfully the clubs have rejected the big picture, it would seem that the top clubs thought it was a good idea, yet the fans of the said clubs were dead against it, or the further removed you are from the grass roots of the game the less you actually care about it…..Pagan

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    #168405
    CriticalmaKCriticalmaK
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    “You only have to look at the franchise setup with no relegation in the MLS to get an idea of what is potentially the end game here. ”

    I really really REALLY hope this never happens. I’ll be up in arms if this is ever proposed.

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    #168406
    Nike19Nike19
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    I don’t think even Rick Parry is somebody that can be trusted (from an EFL POV).

    As much as many would like to take the proposals as face-value, there’s more of a cynical view standing more for certain self-serving individuals.

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    #168410
    Nike19Nike19
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    This is good.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/54545053

    Have to say in more than 35 years of supporting my club I am disappointed with them being on this proposal in the first place. I wouldn’t blame us losing the respect of opposition fans knowing the intentions.

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