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  • #168292
    nine nine nine
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    Driven by Manchester United and Liverpool if successful this could be the biggest changes to Club football in England since the PL was instigated.

    Here’s a summary below, as reported by the Telegraph:

    £250 million immediately to the EFL to compensate its clubs for lost matchday revenue, deducted from future television revenue earnings and financed by a loan taken out by the Premier League
    Special status for the nine longest serving clubs – and the vote of only six of those “long-term shareholders” required to make major changes, including amending rules and regulations, agreeing contracts, removal of the chief executive, and a wide-ranging veto including on club ownership
    Premier League to go to 18 clubs from 20
    £100 million one-off gift to the FA to cover its coronavirus losses, the non-league game, the women’s game, the grassroots
    8.5 per cent of annual net Premier League revenue to go on operating costs and “good causes” including the FA
    From the remainder, 25 per cent of all combined Premier League and Football League revenues to go to the EFL clubs
    Six per cent of Premier League gross revenues to pay for stadium improvements across the top four divisions, calculated at £100 per seat
    New rules for the distribution of Premier League television income, overseas and domestic, including proposals that base one portion on performance over three years in the league
    The abolition of the League Cup and the Community Shield
    24 clubs each in the Championship, League One and League Two reducing the professional game overall from 92 clubs to 90
    A women’s professional league independent of the Premier League or the FA
    Two sides automatically relegated from the Premier League every season and the top two Championship teams promoted. The 16th place Premier League club in a play-off tournament with the Championship’s third, fourth and fifth placed teams.
    Financial fair play regulations in line with Uefa, and full access for Premier League executive to club accounts
    A fan charter including capping of away tickets at £20, away travel subsidised, a focus on a return to safe standing, a minimum away allocation of eight per cent capacity
    Later Premier League start in August to give greater scope for pre-season friendlies, and requirement for all clubs to compete once every five years in a summer Premier League tournament
    Huge changes to loan system allowing clubs to have 15 players out on loan domestically at any one time and up to four at a single club in England

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    #168293
    Nike19Nike19
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    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/54499998

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    #168295
    Nike19Nike19
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    This pandemic isn’t going to go away anytime soon and those divisions below the Premier League effectively need some sort of a Support Package.

    Not really sure about scrapping the Community Shield and what impact does this have. EFL Cup too.

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    #168296
    CriticalmaKCriticalmaK
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    Fair enough mostly, especially the removal of the LC. An expanded European campaign would be much better from my perspective but everyone see’s that differently. not a fan of dropping the Pl down to 18 teams though, especially if the reason for it is just so they can run longer summer tours, which are really just marketing. I know clubs have to do this to increase their influence but sorry, not in place of PL matches.

    I’m not sure how I feel about expanding the loan limits. My club and some of the other top sides have done well to buy, develop, loan, sell and it does seem to work out for a lot of the young lads but I think the big clubs are already incredibly powerful in the market and this only increases their abilities. Sure the smaller clubs can also do it, as it’s a more sustainable than other methods but it’s just that do we really want to enable clubs the mentality that they are buying players they never intend to ever have play for them? Did we ever intend on playing Marko Grujic? His father did everything he could to stop his transfer to Liverpool and you’d have to admit, he might have had a point. Now, I don’t think Grujic’s career has been hampered by us, it may have been helped (in the times he was training with us) but he’s out on loan every season. It’s not ideal to be fostered out like this.

    Anyway, it’s good that the PL is going to look after the other teams financially. you cant have a scenario where the lower leagues are all going broke, it just cant be allowed to happen.

    As for safe standing. It really is time to bring this to the PL.

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    #168300
    nine nine nine
    Moderator

    PL reaction to Project Big Picture.

    The Premier League has criticised reported plans for a radical restructuring of English football, describing a number of the individual proposals involved as having a potentially “damaging” impact on the game.

    On Sunday morning, The Telegraph explosively claimed that top-flight giants Manchester United and Liverpool were the driving forces behind a proposed huge shake-up of English football known as ‘Project Big Picture’.

    As part of that ‘revitalisation’ plan, the Premier League would be reduced from 20 to 18 teams, with the Community Shield and League Cup scrapped.

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    25 per cent of the Premier League’s annual revenue would also go to EFL clubs, with the power held by the top-flight’s so-called ‘Big Six’ teams greatly increased.

    The proposals appear to have the backing of Rick Parry, with the Premier League expressing their disappointment at that “on-the-record support” from the EFL chairman.

    “We have seen media reports today regarding a plan to restructure football in this country,” the Premier League’s statement read.

    “English football is the world’s most watched, and has a vibrant, dynamic and competitive league structure that drives interest around the globe.

    “To maintain this position, it is important that we all work together.

    “Both the Premier League and The FA support a wide-ranging discussion on the future of the game, including its competition structures, calendar and overall financing particularly in light of the effects of COVID-19.

    “Football has many stakeholders, therefore this work should be carried out through the proper channels enabling all clubs and stakeholders the opportunity to contribute.

    “In the Premier League’s view, a number of the individual proposals in the plan published today could have a damaging impact on the whole game and we are disappointed to see that Rick Parry, Chair of the EFL, has given his on-the-record support.

    “The Premier League has been working in good faith with its clubs and the EFL to seek a resolution to the requirement for COVID-19 rescue funding.

    “This work will continue.”

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    #168301
    LuckydestinyLuckydestiny
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    That is a hell of a lot to take in.

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    #168302
    Mikus
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    Such times usually result in revolutions of sorts. Though getting all the clubs to agree to all this may be difficult. But no doubt some of the above will happen.

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    #168303
    LuckydestinyLuckydestiny
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    I know chelsea will be happy with new loan rules mikus 🙂

    I wouldnt miss league Cup to be fair and 18 team prem along with this would improve the standard of footie and improve our teams in European comps.

    It is good that the Prem are trying to help the game survive at lower levels.

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    #168304
    Nike19Nike19
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    Pep’s 100 points can still be matched and surpassed from 34 games 😛 🙂

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    #168305
    Mikus
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    Yeh, the league cup has been on its last legs for some time. This is now the perfect opportunity to ditch it. The loan system being extended will sort of replace it allowing big teams to develop their players at other clubs, though does the loan system itself not basically serve the purpose of helping the bigger clubs make more money when eventually selling on players? When a player goes on loan, unless they’re really young, it’s usually the beginning of the end for them. A lot of this unsurprisingly will help the big clubs as it’s in their interests and I can’t see the support for lower clubs lasting very long…unless we start to see some of the big clubs forming “partnerships” with lower league clubs. Though again, that would start to effectively form premier league club B teams, something Benitez called for some years ago if I remember. Could see this kind of thing happening now, though they’ll never formally call them B teams.

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    • This reply was modified 2 weeks, 6 days ago by Mikus.
    #168307
    442
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    Lucky, thats really naive to think the big clubs will look after the lower league Ones. XYZ mills across how many divisions and clubs is how much per club? The same guys calling for this are the same ones advocating a European super league between the same clubs year on year.

    The only reason the multinationals want football clubs is to clean cash through them… end of, lets stop pretending otherwise.

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    #168308
    Nike19Nike19
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    B grade teams is not a bad idea rather than abolishing the Cup altogether. There’s obviously a lot of history that comes with this competition.

    I wonder somewhere down the line will they turn their attention to the FA Cup.

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    #168309
    LuckydestinyLuckydestiny
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    442, I expected no real help from prem what so ever, was literally just reacting to the financial measures outlined above. Like mikus said the adjustments to loan system is one example of a change that could benefit the bigger clubs more, as will 18 team prem league and no league Cup. In short, no mate, I am not so naive to think that the powerful clubs wouldnt look to take advantage of this crisis and only help the smaller clubs as much as it helps themselves.

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    #168317
    PaganPagan
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    Well Cricket is over for this year and I’ve had a couple of weeks chilling so back to footy.

    I will start by saying I’ve not really watched any, and I’ve not really got the interest to sit in front of the TV and do so.

    This big picture is just a power grab by the big clubs and a few of their mates, it will give them guaranteed prem status and the right to control their own destinies.

    What will the lower divisions get, well a little bit of extra cash to be shared by two more teams, the prem will keep the vast majority which will be shared by fewer, two less teams is an extra 10% and with no more parachute payments they won’t lose out at all.

    Welcome to the new world where the people’s game is controlled by a few big clubs and the rest can suck it up…..Pagan

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    #168320
    maverick1973maverick1973
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    Pagan-Well said it mate,fotball is almost dead and it most certainly wont last like it was pre-Covid
    Good to have you back.

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    #168322
    MightyMoosMightyMoos
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    Some good ideas put forward here, I’m all for it

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    #168323
    nine nine nine
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    I think there are some sensible suggestions in this proposal but it’s merely a proposal and it will take a lot of discussion and working through.

    Below the PL Clubs are struggling with a number on the point of going out of business even before the Corona virus struck so some things have to change.

    Over 28 years ago there were equally concerned reactions to the formation of the PL and that turned out fine. We’ll have to see where it takes us.

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    #168324
    nine nine nine
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    Pagan good to see you back buddie.

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    #168326
    Mikus
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    “Over 28 years ago there were equally concerned reactions to the formation of the PL and that turned out fine.”

    Did it Nine? I’d actually argue that was the turning point of football changing dramatically, not all for the better.

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    • This reply was modified 2 weeks, 6 days ago by Mikus.
    #168328
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    So the clubs with “special status” are the ones with the longest time in the PL yet neither Villa or Newcastle are amongst them despite having played more PL seasons than Man City? Why don’t they just admit that it’s the nine richest clubs and not try dress it up as anything else.

    Also, what does this special status actually mean? What happens if one of these clubs gets relegated? Wouldn’t surprise me if there’s a hidden clause somewhere to say they cannot be relegated!

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