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Stupidity, no wonder you support backward countries, you people will never come right.
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@Rover, America has singlehandedly caused more civil wars, strife and put more dictators into power around the world than almost any other nation. They’re almost as bad as Britain as this stage. All in the name of stopping ‘communism’ which as we’ve seen did a pretty good job of stopping itself. China despite calling itself communist is no longer a communist state, it has more billionaires than any other nation except perhaps the USA itself. Cuba is possibly the only working model of Communism and that isn’t going too well either, just ask half the population of Miami. So America fought all these wars, put all these despots in power to fight a snake that in the end ate itself.
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Not true at all but they have rightly removed the bad guys wherever it was possible. Look you guys have your own dark reasons for your views. Thats fine, keep it to yourself. I have mine and i will always take the part of the good guys. You can stick to yours. After all the eyes of the beholders will always be different. Its a split geo political world and its not going to get any better. Probably looking at a world war not too far away, West v East. I know whose side i will be on if im still alive.
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@Rza1984… that picture eerily reminds me of young gamora saying to thanos “was it worrh it” after he sacrifices for the soul stone.
Well rover its been a blast… great debating with you all and no hard feelings, the international breaks over, footys back on, so until the next one.. stay safe and take care.
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I sensing on both this thread and the other “news” thread, the distinct ‘Merican trait of poeple throwing their toys out their pram because somebody disagree’s with somebody else’s opinion.
If you think my opinion is wrong, I have no problem with that, and if you wish to change my opinion then feel free to try and convince me otherwise, but sulking and chucking out mild insults isn’t going work.
Do I think ‘Merica is a basket case full of contradictions? Absolutely I do.
Do I not understand why people think ‘Merica is the “beacon of light” on this planet? No, I don’t.
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Rover:
Ironic that you’re not celebrating his death because it protects the 2nd Amendment. They were his own words.
I believe people in America are so far gone, they don’t even know how to think for themselves anymore.
If it was a Democrat who got killed by a Conservative (which has happened many times), what would your reaction have been?
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It would appear in the case of Charlie, is was a Conservative using his 2nd Amendment rights to kill another conservative… not even too sure why the Democrats are being portrayed as the bad guys here (well, actually I do, as politics in ‘Merica is based upon making the other look “bad” rather than trying to make your own side look “good”).
(And just for the record, I think boths sides are morons before somebody accuses me of supporting either side).
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Shush Chucky McChuckface
You know how it works. Before knowing the motives, scream “letist scum, musrat, Islamic terrorist…”
When actual facts come in to play, pretend it never happened.
What a worrying bunch of people, so easily manipulated by grifters.
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Rover, theres many reasons why so many people display jealous tendencies towards USA. They still the dominant power when it comes to military, cultural, technology, entertainments, trading, finances, etc etc, but having said that Trump is busy destroying the country financially with all his tariff nonsense. All he will achieve is a huge loss of trading as countries look elsewhere for affordable trade. I dont know who advised him to take that route but am surprised they cant figure it out. Its pretty simple logistics.
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I’m not saying America hasn’t done a lot of good, they absolutely have, but they’ve also done a lot of bad and proclaimed it in the name of good, just look at their sponsorship of Noriega in Nicaragua. I’m just saying you shouldn’t blindly believe all the pro-American propaganda. Stop watching Rambo movies and do some proper actual research before you blindly declare America as the greatest country in the world
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Love to know what I’m jealous about when it comes to the US…
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Corn dogs and Twinkies Chucky. That’s all they have over the rest of us.
I don’t hate the right, love the left, but what I do take exception to is people spewing hate to control those looking for answers to their daily gloom. That’s how certain people control. It’s what Kirk did but behind a laughable shield of some god, it’s what Trump does daily, its what the Nazis did in the 1930s. You could also throw in the likes of UK ‘hate preacher’ Anjem Choudary. All absoute scumbags who would make a difference to the world if they vanished.
So I’m not left, not right, not even centre. Like to think I’m just a normalish guy who thinks everyone should mind their own buisness what others do, and stop hating others because they believe or do things differently.
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Can’t argue with any of that, 3p’s, never did understand how a man of the cloth, any cloth for that matter, can spew hatred behind the guise of his/her “god”. Never made sense to me at all.
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Lol – come back after a few days and some kid called Asian Sensation is telling me to take a look at myself in the mirror because I don’t express my condolences for literally everyone that gets murdered every day, because apparently that’s what it takes for me to be able to express condolences to Kirk’s family.
I wonder what Asian Sensation does in the mirror except practice their virtue signalling?
The criticism that Kirk is getting here for things like protecting the 2nd amendment is all born from ignorance about what he’s actually said about the 2nd amendment. He drew a pretty apt comparison about how western nations except 100s of thousands of auto deaths each year in order to preserve the right to drive a car. As a society you make these choices, and in the US they’ve made their choice about guns.
Kirk was anything but a fascist, he was anything but racist, and he was 100% against political violence. He was the very last person who would agree with the notion that differences of opinion are settled by a bullet. Unless you’ve actually taken the time to listen to his podcasts and watched his campus debates, please don’t go around with cherry picked quotes that are taken out of context. It’s intellectually lazy.
Can the same be said about the Left in the US and UK? The people who brand those they disagree with as ‘Fascists’, ‘Far Right’, ‘Nazis’, compare them to Hitler, and declare people who hold up their nation’s flags to be White Supremacists? The very same people who are coming out and doxxing conservative commentators and suggesting they get shot next (Matt Walsh, Seth Dillon, Elon Musk, Michael Knowles have all been doxxed since Kirk was murdered) and celebrating with glee the death of a man they simply didn’t have the intellectual capacity to debate with.
For fuck sake.
The people who need to take a look at themselves are the ones who who are completely apathetic to Kirk’s murder. It was Kirk that said when people stop talking and discussing ideas/views respectfully and politely, that violence ensues.
And here we have him now murdered, by a kid that was infected with leftist ideologies (I note a bunch of you expressing relief that his family appear to be Republicans without doing any proper reading or research about the actual killer himself) and was in a relationship with a trans boy. All very predictable given how violent and deranged Trans people appear to be these days. At least the murderer is in custody, and let’s hope the State of Utah delivers justice.
As for someone above saying it would be good if everyone minded their own business and let people live the way they wish. If only that could be the case – however the Left have different ideas. The Online Safety Act will control what you can read and watch, the Left will infect your children with LGBTQIA+ ideology, they will mutilate your children with hormones and surgery, they will call their opponents fascists and lock them up, they will flood your country with people from foreign and completely alien cultures, they will cover up organised child sex abuse and they will take your wealth through 100% inheritance taxes (already floated by well-known communist Lewis Goodall and others like Torsten Bell) and progressive wealth taxes.
You may all like to think you’re modern and progressive, but you’re sleepwalking into Marxism and the young people of today will look back on what’s went on under your watch and wonder what the fuck you think you were doing.
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Not sure comparing cars to guns is a comparible debating point, if I’m honest. Don’t think every single person on the planet gets in their car with the idea of need to kill something, which is the exact opposite of what people are thinking when they fire a gun (be it at another person or an animal).
As for my quote about Kirk and the 2nd amendment, that was a direct quote. He sat there on stage, with a microphone and suggested it was acceptable for people to die due to gun violence so the 2nd amendment can stand.
I also think you’ll find the majority of American’s would like to see some level of improved gun control, they’re not fans of having schools being shot up, or the need to have bullet proof backpacks, or arm patrols walking the corridors.
Unfortunately, the NRA and others have louder voices due to having more money because they are basically profiting of the misery guns create.
Peronally, there is absolutely no reason to have a gun, a device which is only capable of death and destruction, pain and misery.
Off course, getting rid of guns in Amrica will be an impossible task, as there are more guns than people, so it really is a pointless debate and the deaths will only continue to increase, which I suppose is good for the share-holders of gun companies.
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Chucky – lots of people have gotten in cars with the idea of killing lots of people (Nice, Barcelona, London, China etc). And most people in the US who carry a gun don’t do so because they have the hope that they will get to use it in the course of their day.
Here is Kirk’s full quote, rather than the cherry picked sentence in isolation that most here are falling back on:
“Yeah, it’s a great question. Thank you. So, I’m a big Second Amendment fan but I think most politicians are cowards when it comes to defending why we have a Second Amendment. This is why I would not be a good politician, or maybe I would, I don’t know, because I actually speak my mind.
The Second Amendment is not about hunting. I love hunting. The Second Amendment is not even about personal defense. That is important. The Second Amendment is there, God forbid, so that you can defend yourself against a tyrannical government. And if that talk scares you—’wow, that’s radical, Charlie, I don’t know about that’—well then, you have not really read any of the literature of our Founding Fathers.
Number two, you’ve not read any 20th-century history. You’re just living in Narnia. By the way, if you’re actually living in Narnia, you would be wiser than wherever you’re living, because C.S. Lewis was really smart. So I don’t know what alternative universe you’re living in. You just don’t want to face reality that governments tend to get tyrannical and that if people need an ability to protect themselves and their communities and their families.
Now, we must also be real. We must be honest with the population. Having an armed citizenry comes with a price, and that is part of liberty. Driving comes with a price. 50,000, 50,000, 50,000 people die on the road every year. That’s a price. You get rid of driving, you’d have 50,000 less auto fatalities. But we have decided that the benefit of driving—speed, accessibility, mobility, having products, services—is worth the cost of 50,000 people dying on the road. So we need to be very clear that you’re not going to get gun deaths to zero. It will not happen. You could significantly reduce them through having more fathers in the home, by having more armed guards in front of schools. We should have a honest and clear reductionist view of gun violence, but we should not have a utopian one.
You will never live in a society when you have an armed citizenry and you won’t have a single gun death. That is nonsense. It’s drivel. But I am, I, I—I think it’s worth it. I think it’s worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights. That is a prudent deal. It is rational. Nobody talks like this. They live in a complete alternate universe.
So then, how do you reduce? Very simple. People say, oh, Charlie, how do you stop school shootings? I don’t know. How did we stop shootings at baseball games? Because we have armed guards outside of baseball games. That’s why. How did we stop all the shootings at airports? We have armed guards outside of airports. How do we stop all the shootings at banks? We have armed guards outside of banks. How did we stop all the shootings at gun shows? Notice there’s not a lot of mass shootings at gun shows, there’s all these guns. Because everyone’s armed. If our money and our sporting events and our airplanes have armed guards, why don’t our children?”
At no point did he say that people shooting their political adversaries was preferable over reasoned debate. Moreover, Kirk wouldn’t be the type of person to suggest the 2nd amendment be repealed because he was a victim. To somehow suggest he got his ‘just desserts’ is moronic.
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Never suggested he got his just deserts… when did i say that? And I never said nobody has ever got in a car to kill people, my point was very simple, don’t think EVERYBODY who gets in a car is planning on killing something or someone, you can’t say that about guns, can you?
And he did say exactly what I quoted… no idea what “video” your quoting.
And you do realize, having guns against a “tyrancial” government is pointless when the government has B-52 bombers? LOL!
And, yes, if you want to continue to use the 2nd Amendment, something written hundreds of years ago when everybody had muskets and there was a risk the US being invaded by other governments, as your “guideline”, then feel free to do so.
There is only one argument for wanting guns and that is “Fuck off, I like guns!”… there is no other argument which makes sense. Every other argument is weaker than school custurd.
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One other thing, you’re also making the mistake of thinking I disagree with everything Charlie ever said, which is not true, there was a lot of things he said which I agreed with.
Unfortunately, this constant “2nd Amendment” nonsense spouted by those sponsered by the gun lobby was not one of them (and, obviously, my 1st Amendment rights clearly say I can say the “2nd Amendment” sucks dicks!).
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Aaww look its ed, hes back from his march in london with his possy and now he thinks hes a big man.. so hes calling people “kid”… that coming from a guy who wears his pants on the outside!
Right on to your point of using cars/transport as an analogy to agree we should have guns because cars kill people! Now do you think the world/country/state could be run if all transport was stopped for the general public due to it being dangerous to the public (pollution, trauma, road rage etc), so only walking is allowed cus animals can be dangerous too… can that country survive? and would you say that any country that did not allow the public to own guns could still survive?? Also do you think when i get into my car people get scared intimidated by me at the wheel? Or would you say if i walked around with an ak47 and some hand guns around the street that would invoke the same response? Have you any other ridiculous analogies like plastic containers are bad so everyone should own a tank or an F15 strike eagle?
Youre heavily brainwashed with all this far left stuff… i think its your kryptonite and its leading to a lot of hate… but remember the “far left” your generally talking about is a very very small minority and 99.99% of the world is probably against it(not a fact, so dont quote me on it).
I now see your point about charlie kirk, i can see he was one of your idols/role models and your hurt, so if i offended you please forgive me and condolences!
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