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  • #6174
    Hightown hope
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    While his park the bus tactic has been effective over the years, I think this year will be different. If he and the United fans want to WIN the league they will have to get above City, and one point at Anfield is not going to do that. God knows we were there for the taking with our poor run of form, our dodgy defence, our lack of Mane and of course United’s good form.

    I’m just surprised at the United fans not seeming to realise that they are going to need something special to keep up with their neighbours this year and that won’t do it for them, in my opinion.

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    #6209
    Mikus
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    I’m with Oz yob on this. Mourinho always plays the percentages and in this particular game he simply deemed it too risky to have a go. I also think that even though Man Utd have spent a lot of money, they still have a dearth of match winners and I think this fed into Josรฉ’s thinking at the weekend. I just don’t think Josรฉ has quite the side he did whilst at Chelsea during the years he won it. If you compare the spines – De Gea is obviously strong enough, but in defence they are not quite there IMO. In midfield he’s very close having Matic & Pogba, but again, I just think Makalele/Lampard & Matic/Fabregas were more refined and reliable. As for up top, again I think Drogba & Costa were still that bit more reliable/refined than Lukaku. Mourinho needs a very specific spine for me, and he just hasn’t quite got it yet though he is close to it.

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    #6211
    Editor
    Keymaster

    Good post Mikas. Can’t disagree with any of that

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    #6217
    nine nine nine
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    Mourinho’s tactics on Saturday are certainly not just reserved for Liverpool he’s always played this way he is a pragmatic Manager and in a title challenge in certain games he will seek to nullify the opposition at least try and take a point and hopefully all three on a breakaway.

    I don’t quite understand why no one is questioning Klopp’s tactics the game was there for the winning yet Klopp took off the two best players on the pitch in Salah and Coutinho and didn’t bring on a recognised striker until there was circa 10 minutes to go and in his post match interviews he admitted to being concerned that to go for the game might lose him the point which was also Jose’s philosophy.?

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    #6220
    Chucky McChuckface
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    Problem with Maureens “Bus” strategy this year is the very likely prospect that ManCity aren’t going to drop enough points of their own to make it worthwhile.

    Off course, I can already hear Maureen at the end of the season, playing his “didn’t get enough resources/support from the board” record….

    As for Klopp, at least he went for it for the first 70mins or so.

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    #6224
    Oz Yob
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    Nine, yeah question why Klopp swapped 2 midfielders for a striker & a midfielder, very negative. Couts had a fair journey & probably wasnโ€™t at his best & Salah i can understand as well as he has played pretty much all the time. IMO it wasnโ€™t a negative move & itโ€™s not like we didnโ€™t maintain the dominance. Ox in particular looked good to me. I get why you like jose as he done well with your lot but thereโ€™s not too many neutrals that like him or his football.

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    #6228
    nine nine nine
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    Oz tbh actually I don’t like Mourinho very much but I do respect him as being a great tactician and a winning football Manager.

    Klopp admitted in his post match interview that he didn’t go for it because he didn’t want to end up with nothing and tbh imo he’s not been at his usual effervescent best over the past few weeks and I think the pressure has been getting to him a bit and he wanted to avoid all the pressures that would have come on him had United broken away and won that game had he gone for it.

    A point at Anfield in most seasons would be considered a good point and it might still well be if that point is the difference between United beating City to the title. Personally in this season I’m not sure it will be with this City team.

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    #6232
    Hightown hope
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    999…that’s the whole point..in this season of Man City looking so powerful, one point at Anfield will more than likely not be enough. If ever there was a time for him to try and get 3 points, this was it. They were in form, we weren’t, they were scoring goals, we weren’t, they were keeping clean sheets, we weren’t, and most importantly City need to be kept in sight.

    As for Klopps tactics, as Oz said above, Couts had played 89 minutes 60 hours before and had a long flight home. I was at the game, and he looked ‘leggy’ from early on. Salah had been very effective in the first half but had faded significantly in the 2nd half…and Sturridge and Ox were hardly brought on to shore up our defence!

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    #6233
    nine nine nine
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    Hightown, I think you’re right this season it may not be but if Liverpool were to beat City at Anfield which is definitely not impossible it could be a very good point.

    I think Mourinho went into the game hoping for all three points but happy to leave with a point. If you offered Guardiola a point at Anfield now my bet is that he would take it.

    You can say what you want mate but Klopp is on record as saying he didn’t go for it in the latter part of the game because he didn’t want to risk ending up with no points. No recognised striker until the 80th minute at home was disappointing imo because had Klopp been a bit more adventurous Liverpool could have won that game.

    A point gained for United or two points lost we’ll have to wait and see.

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    #6234
    Hightown hope
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    No recognised striker till the 8th minute? We very rarely do play with a ‘recognised’ striker. Against Arsenal Sturridge came on in the 74th minute and no one was disappointed. It’s the way we line up…don’t be disappointed!

    While Klopp didn’t go gung-ho at the end throwing 11 men in to the United penalty area, there was still only one team trying to win the game right to the end

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    #6235
    Hightown hope
    Moderator

    **80th **

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    #6236
    Big Jim
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    Pep might theoretically take a point at Anfield if offered?? but does anybody think he would set out the team for a point. No chance, he seems to approach every game exactly the same be it Stoke at home or Chelsea away, it’s just pass, press and attack.

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    #6240
    Editor
    Keymaster

    Genuine question for the Liverpool fans on here.

    If you could have gone to City and played the way Utd did and come away with a point, would you have been dissatisfied with that?

    Equally, Spurs fans, if you went to Madrid and played the same way but came away with a point, would you accept that?

    No hidden agenda behind these questions. I’m just trying to gauge to what extent fans are willing to overlook the style of play in a one-off game if it means getting a result you’re happy with. I know people will say Utd should be beating this Liverpool side whereas the above examples are both not expected to get anything, but try to ignore that point for now.

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    #6244
    Hightown hope
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    Ok Ed…straight answer is no, I would not have been dissatisfied with that, for the simple reason that City are unfortunately better than us. I would be happy with a point at the Etihad, of course I would, as would Spurs be happy with a point tonight, I would imagine. My argument with Morinho’s tactics is simply that if he is happy with that point, he appears to not believe that United are better than Liverpool, despite all the stats saying otherwise this season. Pep thinks his team are the best, ergo he can go to Stamford Bridge and attack Chelsea. If Mourinho wants to win the league, he surely has to believe his team are better than a struggling Liverpool side.

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    #6245
    Editor
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    Fair points Hightown. For me though, and seemingly for Josรฉ too, Liverpool away for us is, in many ways, as hard a game as either of the ones I mentioned above. On paper, we have a more expensive squad and probably more match winners but this is probably the one game where form means nothing. Leaving Anfield with a defeat is much more unacceptable than playing defensively.

    In all honesty, Josรฉ probably did pay Liverpool a bit too much respect. But Liverpool raise their game for Utd more than any other game and the home crowd is a massive asset. My point is that I think we’d all agree there are certain games where we’d all rather our clubs sacrificed an attacking style of play and settle for a point. We just disagree on where those boundaries go.

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    #6246
    Anonymous
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    ed – i would most definitely take a point putting in a defensive performance. not only because we are away to the best team in the world at the moment but also because it would be a massive step towards qualification. against dortmund we put in a very disciplined performance, we sat back and hit them on the break. a repeat of that tonight is highly unlikely but knowing we can put in that kind of mature performance was great to see.

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    #6247
    Hightown hope
    Moderator

    Ed – if we raise our game against United and the home crowd is a massive asset as you say, the results since the Premier League started doesn’t back up that statement. In league games at Anfield, we have won 8, drawn 4 and lost 12 against you in that time. You have won there many times when we have had a far better team than we have now!

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    #6248
    Editor
    Keymaster

    Yeah that’s an important point I’d overlooked Hightown!

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    #6249
    nine nine nine
    Moderator

    Hightown, Personally I think Klopp could have been a bit more adventurous in the final 30 odd minutes of the game when it only looked like Liverpool would win but I can understand why he wasn’t a loss to United would have been hard to take.

    Whether it was a good point for United or not we won’t know until the end of the season and if City were to go to Anfield and win which is not impossible instead of a point gained for United it would be 2 points lost. Cheers 999

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    #6250
    Chucky McChuckface
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    Some serious debates within debates within debates breaking out, careful lads! ๐Ÿ™‚

    For what it’s worth, I also reckon Maureen showed a bit too much respect to Pool. I’m thinking when the majority of teams set out as defensively as YooUtd did, you’are almost admitting to yourself that the opposition is that good (or your that bad). Going away from the topic slightly, I also think chopping and changing your team is perhaps not as beneficial as keeping your team consistent. I think a lot of Spuds recent success is down to a more consistent formation, or even when changes are made, they are kept for a period. The Dortmund game does fly against that, but that was very much a one-off in my mind (although I do half expect the same tonight to be honest, as our mid-field isnรธt exactly at it’s strongest right now!)

    On a side note, are there any Micky Mousers playing for the Scousers? Not a Pool fan, granted, but I was having a hard time identifying them as a typical Pool side I remember from yesteryear…

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