Most embarrassing Manchester United performance today

[Luckydestiny]

What Xg when contrasted to score tells us is that pool were far better in final third than the average prem team at converting and utd were worse defensively and offensively compared to average prem league team data. All the data is weighted relative to the aggregate for the league for similar chances.

That the average team would have scored 3 with the chances pool had only suggests pool were much better than average, not that if you played it 100 times pool would rarely score more than 3.

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[sean the sailor]

Sorry Ed I think it’s you missing the point mate

I know exactly what you are saying but I’ve outlined in my previous posts about why I disagree.

You said the other day, everything went our way and we got the bobbles wtc that’s what I was disagreeing with

But not to worry mate. We are going around in circles so we can just move on

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[Nike19]

History books will effectively specify Liverpool 7 Manchester United 0

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[Editor]

No worries Sean. All I was saying was that absolutely everything fell for you. We were sh*te too, which helped, but absolutely everything fell for you and nothing fell right for us. I stand by that. Absolutely no problem if you disagree. Again, you fully deserved the result and it’s a shocking result.

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[Chucky McChuckface]

Nil’s right, nobody remembers how jammy Pool were in Istanbuln against Milan, or that bullshit handball agasint Disco Sissisko, do they? Just what is in the books! 🙂 🙂 🙂

• This reply was modified 1 year, 1 month ago by Chucky McChuckface.

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[Editor]

I know how it works Lucky. I’m fully aware it doesn’t mean Liverpool would rarely score more than 3 if you played the game multiple times. Liverpool are underperforming against their XG (before Sunday) by 10 goals over 24 games. So, they usually score 0.41 goals less than the chances they generate suggest they should. So, they’re less than an average team, by your definition. Utd, before Sunday concede around the same amount as they should vs XGA. That Liverpool overperformed on their XG by 5 goals (a 2 goal diff vs a 7 goal diff) is very much against the trend for the season. That’s not to say it wouldn’t happen again but it would be a massive swing in the trend.

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[sean the sailor]

But when you say absolutely everything fell for us that implies luck? It was shit defending, not everything falling for us

Goal one piss from varane
Goal 2 nunez reacts quickest poor defending
Goal 3 gakpo breaks from our box, plays in Salah and shaw can’t be bothered to run back
Goal 4 feeble attempt from mctwoniey to clear the ball and utd an extremely difficult finish for Salah on his bad foot
Goal 5 nunez scores a header gets in front of varane. Bad defending
Goal 6 shaw makes a pathetic attempt to clear the ball bad defending
Goal 7 – shit goal keeping and defending

So I’m not sure how everything went for us? It went for us through good play and utd defending atrociously.

Ah to be honest I’m worse even responding mate lol

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[Editor]

Sean, but it’s not one or the other. It’s not that you have to choose between bad defending or just everything falling for Liverpool. It was atrocious defending. Goal 2, awful from Shaw, but that the ball just happens to bounce into Elliott’s path is typical of that whole day for us. Not luck, no. Goal 4, of all the places the deflection can land, it lands right in Salah’s path. Goal 6, there’s 1 red shirt in the box and the ball bounces off Firmino’s knee right into Salah’s path. Our defence was terrible also. It’s not one or the other.

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[Editor]

Just for good measure, we were not unlucky. All I’m saying is that everything that could go wrong for us went wrong in the space of 45mins, including a multitude of uncharacteristically poor performances. A total collapse. On another day, you get those breaks and the deflections go the other way instead of into the lap of the attacker. We brought it on ourselves though. On another day, Rashford puts that chance away to put us 1-0 up or Allison doesn’t catch that passback which he fumbled.

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[Editor]

Give me a rest now. It’s been a tough week so far 😂. You’re right though Sean. If I appear to be downplaying what was a fantastic result for you, I hold my hands up and apologise. You were great value for the result. I’m still trying to make sense of it all. Ten Hag apparently forced the players to sit in silence and listen to the Liverpool players celebrate post match. I might do the same…

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[Luckydestiny]

Ed, it’s about the game on Sunday, nothing to do with Xg prior, it’s all about performance on the day and the Xg over season you refer to indicates that pool have not been as clinical as would be expected based on Xg, that’s it, the Xg itself is far above average for them and irrelevant to Sundays game because they don’t play utd every week and all players perform at different levels game to game.

I personally think ten hag got it very wrong and you paid massive price. Not having a go at him I think he doing great, but man for man at anfield banking on winning all one on one duels?

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[Nike19]

Ed, lol, we’re all collectively going to give you a warning for your behaviour on here haha 😛 😉

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[Luckydestiny]

Nil, I actually agree with what I thought Ed was saying but confused now.

Regardless of my poking I actually believe 7 nil was a little unfortunate considering as Ed has pointed out how a few of the goals seemed to just fall perfect for pool and the Xg etc etc, but that ultimately counts for little because both the score and Xg show utd were soundly outplayed and thoroughly beaten. When you destroy a team mentally like pool did all bets are off and no one can guess the score.

Xg is totally worthy of discussion but it’s pointless to refer to it following results like this.

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[Luckydestiny]

It’s like a boxer getting his head smashed to pieces and knocked the hell out talking about the rounds he won earlier in the fight, that he never been knocked out like that before and his opponent never punched anyone that hard before, or that his opponents threw less punches than average and so statistically it is rare and odd that the fight ended as it did.

Only difference is the boxer has concussion as an excuse for the waffle! 😆

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[sean the sailor]

But lucky the ball doesn’t fall for Salah if shaw clears the ball or mctwoniey just doesn’t hang out a leg ! Salah still has to finish that on his weaker foot.

Ah it’s been done to bits this . I shouldn’t have got involved and should just enjoy the result. No worries Ed, always good to chat.

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[Luckydestiny]

Sean, Just trying to make sure Ed knows I see where he is coming from but also that it’s ultimately irrelevant what the Xg was in games so clearly decided.

Ed is spot on to say its extremely rare to find Xg so grossly exceeded, from that POV alone it is extremely anomalous, (which is a more accurate way of describing it than unfortunate which is not appropriate I admit).

I think the polarising effect the 3rd goal had on each teams confidence turned the game into an anomaly in which logic didn’t really apply thereafter. The score could have been more as well as less depending on whatever ifs buts and maybes we want to insert.

What is not in question is that Liverpool destroyed utd in that second half and that they deserved a big score.

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[sean the sailor]

No worries lucky.

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[sean the sailor]

I did t know utd played man for man without the ball? I don’t watch them enough to be honest. I think ten hag is a brace coach. He started Dalot in the final againest Newcastle’s biggest threat then took him off at half time. He’s got so many subs right tgis season

For me wan bisska probs best one one defender. Around so I was glad Dalot started

Did ferndez play wide left before? Was he there to combat taa as every Liverpool fan was petrified of rashford againest taa. Very strange decision

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[Editor]

Lucky, your post at 15.33 is pretty much what I was trying to say. You put it better than I could. Agree with every word.

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