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  • #11994
    whoisbeniwhoisbeni
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    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/mason-holgate-facing-ban-threat-over-homophobic-tweets-z8dkh3xd5

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    #12002
    Nike19Nike19
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    Appreciate the link put in, thankyou.

    I saw something of this nature by glimpse, so clearly there’s something more to this than meets the eye in relation to Holgate’s background.

    From backseat observation, Firmino is just an ‘ordinary Joe’ conveniently targeted. It may have well been somebody else. and we’ve just been caught off guard it seems to me. Roberto is sincerely of decent gravy as a human being.

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    #12007
    nine nine nine
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    What Holgate tweeted as a young lad in 2012/13 won’t impact on what the FA are currently investigating re the confrontation with Firmino.

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    #12039
    sean the sailor
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    I know nine but Even at 16 it shows a bit of what he is like

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    #12043
    nine nine nine
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    Sean, I think we all probably said things at 15/16 that we wouldn’t have said when we were in our 20’s.

    Holgate was clearly responsible for the shove which imo was dangerous play which could/should lead to a retrospective charge but what Firmino said or didn’t say which is currently being investigated and what Holgate posted in a tweet at 15/16 are completely unconnected.

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    #12048
    sean the sailor
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    I know they are unconnected nine

    When I was 16 I knew what was right or wrong to do or say.

    If Firmino has said anything racist then he should be banned. If not, that he should bring a case of defamation ahainest holgate. If holgate has used this as an excuse because he prayed him into the cried then he should be punished also

    We won’t know until everything comes out

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    #12069
    whoisbeniwhoisbeni
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    Times are saying that the tweets are being investigated

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    #12070
    Chucky McChuckfaceChucky McChuckface
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    Wasplicker… reckon we all knew right from wrong when we were 16, also reckon we were all stupid enough to ignore right from wrong when the “mood” took us…

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    #12086
    sean the sailor
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    How dare you banjo I was never in a mood in my teens ?

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    #12088
    Big Jim
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    I don’t think there is anything to see here otherwise Firminio would have been charged. Holgates reaction should be looked at by the FA. Be interesting to see what if any punishment he could get if Firminio is found not guilty.

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    #12091
    paul powers tashpaul powers tash
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    Firminio should be charged for those teeth πŸ™‚
    Do they glare at night ?

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    #12104
    sean the sailor
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    He thought holgate was Colgate lol

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    #12108
    Nike19Nike19
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    I made an inquiry about that to get mine done and in an actual aesthetic dentist, they charge Β£300-350. That’s a lot for me. Apparently too, only Bleach actually does the trick.

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    #12119
    Chelsea.manChelsea.man
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    I think we should restrain ourselves from jumping to the bandwagon. what Holgate did was dangerous and was punishable at the time. but the way i saw the lad was so upset with Firmino. may be it could be language barrier and both men didn’t understood what other was saying. i think there are occasions when the lip readers got it wrong. the JT case was one, the Zidane vs Materazi one in 2006 world cup final. so you can’t rely totally on lip readers. if Holgate felt something is said along the lines which he doesn’t understand. the FA has the right to investigate, and i’m pleased that they are taking every racism case seriously. if Firmino is cleared there is no need to jump on the back of Holgate. because that will discourage the reporting of the potential cases in the future. but that said Firmino has every right to be upset with Holgate at that moment. let us wait the FA report. England is doing better and cases of racism are far and few in England as compared to Italy and Spain where its normal occurrence.

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    #12123
    nine nine nine
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    If we want to stamp out racism in football you can’t charge and or criticise someone for reporting what they believe was racism towards them otherwise we will never stamp it out look how Holgate reacted to what he believed was said.

    There are three incidents here:

    1) the tweets which are completely unconnected to what happened between Firmino and Holgate.
    2) the shove by Holgate which could have ended in serious injury to Firmino.
    3) the alleged racism.

    Let’s wait and see what the FA investigation throws up.

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    #12142
    Chelsea.manChelsea.man
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    999

    I think Holgate will definitly get a ban for that tweet. But i don’t think he will get anything for the Firmino shove. As the ref saw and decided to take no action as for the racisim issue? I think it could be a laguage barrier. Holgate was seriously upset. And let us not forget that he is young and naive in sending those tweets.

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    #12145
    nine nine nine
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    CMan, we’ll see the FA quite rightly react strongly to these sorts of things but it was a long time ago and Holgate was only 15/16. More likely imo that Holgate will get a warning for the tweets but it’s entirely up to the FA.

    I do though think Holgate should be charged for the shove as it could have caused serious injury to Firmino.

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    #12146
    Big Jim
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    Have to agree with nine on all three points above.

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    #12148
    whoisbeniwhoisbeni
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    Likely that the most serious issue of the shove into the crowd, which could have injured Firmino and spectators, will go unpunished.

    The tweets I’m not really interested in, as he was a kid and is in a very macho world. The racism allegation I just don’t believe – but if something happened that I missed then they should throw the book at him, but I just don’t see it.

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    #12216
    Chelsea.manChelsea.man
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    Still i’m not defending what Holgate has done, it has been dangerous and like i said was punishable at the time. but in his defense the lad is still young and naive. give him the benefit of doubt. it was the heat of the moment and the passion. let us not forget that it was Liverpool V.S Everton. one of the biggest rivalries in the world. the passion may have got the better of him. i don’t think if he has the intention of deliberately hurting Firmino. some players do certain things in the heat of the moment. i remember Lampard was once sent off at Anfield in 2008/09 season. can you say he is a malicious player? Gerrard was sent off against United in his last season at Anfield, can you say he is malicious? all of these cases are no. players do somethings protecting their club badges. and that is what Holgate did. i would understand if the ref has booked him, as it was endangering Firmino and the spectators to some extent.

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