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  • #180109
    Editor
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    Sure, but then you’re conceding that it’s not always about who is the better manager πŸ˜€

    I don’t disagree with the last part. Chelsea have proven to be great at making the right decisions. They also sacked Conte,though, so he can’t have been that good!

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    #180110
    LuckydestinyLuckydestiny
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    Ed, if allegri and benitez were happy to come to chelsea you may have a point, if lamps hadn’t achieved what we wanted in first season, you may have a point.

    Even if we could have appointed better than lamps at that time, what point are you trying to make? That because chelsea make a mistake now and again utd are excused making massive mistakes season upon season?

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    #180111
    nine nine nine
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    Ed, my post was just tongue in cheek hence the smiley face. 3 wins though v Pep at Wembley, the Etihad and in the CL Final over a few short weeks is pretty impressive no matter how you cut it and will be very difficult to top.

    Your stats show that Ole has 4 wins and a draw v Pep which is actually the same record as Tuchel.

    I don’t think too many think Ole is the right man for United but I suspect the Glazers don’t want to rock the boat certainly currently I think Ole has to deliver a trophy next season losing in Semi Finals and then v Villarreal in a Final is not the United way.

    There’s been nobody better than United at bringing players through but that was primarily under Busby and Ferguson and we are unlikely to see such long tenures again which helps that strategy.

    Re Conte he wins trophies he won the PL in his first season and the FA Cup in his second season but he sacked himself with his continuous rants against the Club.

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    #180113
    nine nine nine
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    It’s a lively debate but the fact remains how is Levy going to dig himself out of this one?

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    #180115
    LuckydestinyLuckydestiny
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    Lol Nine I don’t know mate, I can see the funny side of it being a chelsea fan but honestly I am gutted for the spurs fans mate they being consistently misled.

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    #180117
    Mikus
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    Managers like Poch & Klopp are a dream for many owners because they are the ultimate safe option – they do very well on the pitch with a low transfer outlay. But they are hard to find. The next safest option is a young prospect or appointing a former player who understands the club and can oversee things until the next Poch or a Klopp comes along. But all these decisions are rooted in safety, or arguably as Lucky says, avoiding responsibility to make the big decisions. And they don’t want any risk. But there’s a reason for that – poor transfer purchases.

    Several big clubs have bought poorly now for sometime because they don’t have a strong coherent player recruitment department. Appointing Jose at Man Utd wasn’t particularly successful because Man Utd also bought poorly and you can’t rely on the manager for that. In response, Man Utd have now started to play safer in the transfer market whilst also playing their youth. The main reason I’d argue that’s the case though is not so much because they want to “do things the right way” but because they don’t yet have a strong recruitment department. So until they do, this is the safest option, and from that point of view, you can understand why.

    This finally looks to be changing at Man Utd with the following story which seemed to go under the radar:

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    #180120
    LuckydestinyLuckydestiny
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    Mikus, you are spot on, managers are vital to getting the best out of the players in the team but the success of a club on the field is mainly determined by the quality of player and hence recruitment needs to be priority.

    Chelsea are proof of that, Jose won title with squad then under delivered and was sacked. Conte came in and got the best out of them again and low and behold another title. The manager was vital each time on getting best out of the players but they were only ultimately able to win because of the quality of player provided by the club in first place, RECRUITMENT.

    Lamps thought chelsea were light years from competing for CL only a few months ago, the board thought otherwise based on their recruitment, they made the change and were proven right. Who got the winning goal? Didn’t uncle Harry claim same player was useless and not good enough for lamps and Chelsea?

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    #180121
    Mikus
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    Yeh Lucky, I think the likes of Man Utd & Arsenal have particularly struggled because they’ve had 2 very long serving managers that papered over the cracks beneath which were left exposed when they left. And they’re still trying to pick up the pieces. Chelsea are the perfect modern club in that they prioritise player recruitment vs manager longevity. The culture has completely changed and the players are now kings, with the manager becoming more disposable. Many don’t like it, but it’s where we’re now at. So whilst the managerial appointment is still of course important, they are no longer considered the most important part of a club.

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    #180126
    nine nine nine
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    “It is unclear if Spurs are in a position to spend big this summer, however, with the club continuing to pay off their Β£1.2billion new stadium and reeling from the financial impact of the pandemic.

    Levy’s has publicly said he wants the new manager to be committed to β€œfree-flowing, attacking and entertaining [football] whilst continuing to embrace our desire to see young players flourish” – a description which seem ill-fitting for Conte.” Standard 5/06

    No point in Levy drawing up a Managerial profile and then go completely against that profile!

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    #180128
    MightyMoosMightyMoos
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    I can tell you without any doubts at all if United sacked Solskjaer they would jump to have Conte. You can’t get better. Maybe equavilent but not better.

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    #180129
    Nike19Nike19
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    Nobody’s going to really be a long-term plan in which the intention should be to preserve Tottenham Identity, be successful, purely by Trophies, and build a Legacy.

    With Levy, it’s it’s unlikely.

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    #180136
    FoxyFoxes
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    I don’t really rate Conte, I think he got lucky with great timing with his league win. Both he and Ranieri were fortunate that the league in those two years lacked any real front-runner club. Pretty much every team was in transition period. City and Liverpool had only just appointed Klopp and Pep and needed a couple of seasons just to get their revolution clicking. Man U and Arsenal were still the basket case, Spurs were only just begnning their foray into the top 4. Those two seasons created the perfect storm for a team to find a rich vein of form and keep it going. I know that sounds very simplistic and in reality it’s not an easy thing to do.

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    #180140
    Brian blue
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    Foxy…I think yo are right in one sense…LUCK….does play a part with Managers and clubs. If I look back over the different eras of football I have watched there has always been a good slice of it. Sunderland and Newcastle were the big spenders then with strong managers, even Hull City had a short period of glory in the late 40s/early 50s from memory. I take the view when a new Manager appears, whatever the team, he knows what he is undertaking and so has to get on with what he has and allowed to spend. The timeing of this is crucial and that is where the club rather than the Manager has to take responsibility , sometimes it works, sometimes not.All this and despite the media clamour for sacking it is not a hanging offence to loose!!!!!! learn from it and move on, Two great managers who did this was Busby and Mercer with there player management

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    #180141
    nine nine nine
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    Conte has won the League at every Club he’s managed Juve , Chelsea and Inter so I think it goes a bit deeper than just luck with him although I’m sure it played it’s part. His problem is he always falls out with the hierarchy when things don’t go his way with player purchases so it’s just as well he swerved Spurs.

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    #180144
    Nike19Nike19
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    Foxy, largely agree with your points with Leicester re 2016, but I don’t think anything should be taken from everything Ranieri gave. It may well be a one-off lifetime history or a generation before another Title like this is won.

    Conte is proven and Top Dollar, but I don’t think Tottenham would be of a deserving because of Levy.

    Conte originally set a point precedent when Chelsea won the Title back in 2017 with 95 points.

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    #180146
    LuckydestinyLuckydestiny
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    Yeah luck by definition is rare to occur, 5 league titles in last 7 seasons as manager with 3 different clubs, now that is lucky πŸ™‚

    Like all managers of top teams his only fortune is in the quality of player he gets to work with. At inter however he fought relentlessly to assemble a title winning team from scratch and it took him 3 transfer windows to complete it and he won title second year.

    Some can ridicule signings such as young and moses, but he didn’t have anywhere near the budget of a utd or chelsea and the fruits of his recruitment was a championship team. Doesn’t matter that young and moses etc are not long term fixes, were never meant to be and didn’t cost as such. His remit was build a team to win the league, conte delivered and luck had nothing to do with it.

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    #180226
    LuckydestinyLuckydestiny
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    So the guy Jose replaces at Roma replaces Jose at spurs?

    https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11675/12328875/paulo-fonseca-tottenham-in-advanced-talks-to-appoint-former-roma-boss

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    #180227
    LuckydestinyLuckydestiny
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    Sarri to lazio, seems like a perfect fit

    https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11862/12327002/maurizio-sarri-lazio-appoint-former-chelsea-and-juventus-boss-as-replacement-for-simone-inzaghi

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    #180234
    Tugay is God
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    Chelsea got 93 points that season not 95 points. They got 95 points when Jose won his first title in 04/05.

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    #180235
    nine nine nine
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    Yep Tugay spot on but only 4 teams in the history of the PL have bettered Conte’s points total one of which was Jose’s 2004/05 Chelsea team.

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