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  • #180085
    PaganPagan
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    Ed, well I think that all games played in Manchester should also be discounted from the listπŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚…..Pagan

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    #180086
    LuckydestinyLuckydestiny
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    Ed, can you name me the youth prospects that ole is developing and why utd being successful depends on ole bringing them through?

    I don’t want youth players playing for sake of it. Of all the youth players coming through at Chelsea over last few seasons, only James and mount truly deserve to start each week now and I am delighted with that as all Chelsea fans are, but we are delighted because they are top quality more than that they are home grown.

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    #180087
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    Appointing Conte/Mourinho is the equivalent of a one night stand with a porn star. It was great there and then. You’ll always remember it but it won’t bring you any meaningful joy in the long run. The longer you go without finding “the one”, the more tempting that one night stand seems (Spurs πŸ˜„)

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    #180088
    LuckydestinyLuckydestiny
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    That’s all well and good Ed but doesn’t justify going down on nora bloody batty does it! πŸ™‚

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    #180089
    sean the sailor
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    Ah I think being a home grown player for the club you support is really special lucky. Look at mount. Huge Chelsea fan. At the club since he is 6. It’s much more special that he is a wonderful player abd he’s gone grown

    That’s why I love to see Taa and Jones come through

    Utd have Greenwood, Williams, mctwomniey etc.

    Didn’t Reece James plsy for utd academy? I could be wrong mate

    Have we ever seen such a period of excellent home grown players coming through the ranks?

    Taa, mount, foden, Greenwood etc. Some real quality home grown players coming through at the big clubs and other clubs now.

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    #180090
    LuckydestinyLuckydestiny
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    Of course its special sean, WHEN THEY ARE GOOD ENOUGH!

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    #180091
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    Lucky, Ole has given debuts to 16(!) academy players.

    https://www.planetfootball.com/quick-reads/the-11-kids-handed-man-utd-debuts-by-solskjaer-how-theyve-fared-so-far/

    Ed, can you name me the youth prospects that ole is developing and why utd being successful depends on ole bringing them through?

    I’ve never said our success depends on Ole bringing them through. The point I’m making is that we have some excellent youth products and I’m more confident of us building a side capable of long term success (whether that be a side capable of challenging in 1-2 yrs or more) byOle being there now than I would be if we brought Conte in today.

    I’m not saying Ole is the man. I don’t think he is. But I definitely don’t think Conte is either. Not to achieve the goals that I think the club want to achieve. Long term ability to compete on all fronts, top quality academy players getting minutes.

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    #180092
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    Touché Lucky 🀣

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    #180093
    PaganPagan
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    Sean, Reece James has been at Chelsea since he was 6 I believe, his younger sister is a Man Utd player though……Pagan

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    #180094
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    Of course its special sean, WHEN THEY ARE GOOD ENOUGH!

    But if they don’t get a chance, we’ll never know if they’re good enough. That’s exactly the point. Conte is definitely not known for long term planning at clubs.

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    #180095
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    Take someone like Charlie McNeill at Utd. Broke all kinds of records in City’s youth academy then rejoined Utd’s academy as he saw a better path to the first team (& he’s a big Utd fan). He just had a record breaking season for the U18s, beating Greenwood’s best season. He might make it. He might not. But under Conte I don’t think we’d ever know until it’s potentially too late. If he does make it, that could save us Β£100mil on a striker.

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    #180096
    LuckydestinyLuckydestiny
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    Ed, of all those players do any in your opinion have a higher ceiling than greenwood? Garner and chong, eh?

    Conte would play greenwood in front 2. Maybe not start but defo from bench first season.I think this because conte values ability above background and age. He would recognise greenwood’s ability as a finisher and wouldnt have him hugging the bloody touchline he would make him a proper centre forward like he did with martinez and Lukaku at inter.

    Conte wouldnt give a shit about garner and bloody chong and why would he? he is an elite winning football manager and these are average bloody rookies! Conte don’t win by ignoring ability.

    The class of 92 has really messed utd fans perception I think mate. It was so rare and utd had so much quality around the young players at the time. And let’s not forget that they were exceptionally good, its not like the current the youth at utd will be just as good if given the time, fergie only gave them the time because they were so god damn talented in first place.

    Ole better for utd than conte, just can’t believe it mate its like I am talking to a scientologist or something πŸ™‚

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    #180097
    LuckydestinyLuckydestiny
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    Ed, that’s what loans do, you send them out, see if they could thrive at a certain level then test them at a higher level. You don’t experiment at expense of first team results because the whole club depends on good first team results.

    Mount and James proved themselves worthy of a squad place on Loan, they were given a squad number and took their chance. They are there because they are good enough

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    #180101
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    Conte wouldnt give a shit about garner and bloody chong and why would he?

    You’ve made my point for me πŸ˜„. Exactly, why would he give young players a chance? He knows he’s there for a season or two, if that. Why would he care about the long term future? You see that as a positive. I see it as a negative.

    Again, you’ve missed my point if you think I’m bigging up any of the players in that list. I’m not. But the likes of Greenwood wouldn’t be an option for Conte as I don’t think they’d have ever been given their chance.

    Ole better for utd than conte, just can’t believe it mate its like I am talking to a scientologist or something πŸ™‚

    πŸ˜‚ fair enough. I really don’t think it’s as simple as “who is better?”. The club needs to build something long term. As I keep saying, we’ve tried the quick fix (with the best quick fixer in the business) and look where it left us.

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    #180102
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    Besides Lucky, weren’t you a big advocate of both bringing in and sticking with Lampard, despite managers like Allegri and Rafa being either gettable or available? Care to explain how there’s any difference? Lampard was a complete rookie.

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    #180103
    LuckydestinyLuckydestiny
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    Ed our club made the correct decision appointing lamps given the circumstances they also made the correct decision sacking him when we did given the circumstances.

    That’s the difference mate, Chelsea make decisions, utd are sleepwalking.

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    #180104
    LuckydestinyLuckydestiny
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    Also I would never advocate starting a youth player over an experienced better player. Never ever ever.

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    #180105
    LuckydestinyLuckydestiny
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    It is a simple as who is better btw, its always been that simple, whether we talking players, managers, car mechanics or chefs.

    Working out the best option is the hard part but there are levels mate, and utd need the best they can possibly get.

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    #180107
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    But Lucky, this:

    Ed our club made the correct decision appointing lamps

    And this:

    It is a simple as who is better btw, its always been that simple, whether we talking players, managers, car mechanics or chefs.

    Are massive contradictions. Are you honestly saying Lampard proved at Derby that he was better than Rafa, Wenger, Allegri and loads more who were all either available or very gettable? Not a chance.

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    #180108
    LuckydestinyLuckydestiny
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    No mate because at the time with transfer ban lamps was the best candidate and did exactly what we needed from him in the first season. He didn’t progress second season and the moment the club had a better option they had no hesitation making the correct decision. Again, that’s the big difference between utd and Chelsea right now, Chelsea make the big decisions when they need to.

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