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  • #177273
    Nike19Nike19
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    Our owners need to understand Football or if they already do, then they need to invest more into the squad. In my opinion, we need a quality centre half and a new full back; can’t rely on TAA for 60 games. In fact, if the injuries and the repercussions hasn’t taught the owners anything, then heaven forbid.

    Van Dijk needs a world class partner.

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    #177276
    Mikus
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    It’s certainly true that City have had greater spending power to develop a much better squad depth so to some extent Liverpool were always up against it. Where criticism of Liverpool is still valid is that they still didn’t add enough variety into the squad. As I say, I think we built the whole team around the front 3 which was great at the time but as their form has waned, we have no alternative options. There was an element of putting all our eggs in that basket to create a very good but ultimately rigid and sort of β€˜one trick side’. (I think the vast majority of our goals have come from that front 3). It’s also generally dependent on a high press which is obviously tiring over the seasons. Whereas City have a variety of goals in their team from goal scoring midfielders, strikers and wingers. It’s why they rarely have a problem scoring.

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    #177278
    sean the sailor
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    Agree with a lot of they lucky mate

    Nil, the owners operate Liverpool as a business. They are sports fans and really want to win but I’ve absolutely no problem with how they spend money. That’s what makes our success more special for me.we just can’t throw money at players. We sold couthino who was considered our best player and we got vvd and Alison

    Any money we make from sales goes straight back into the team. Chelsea are doing the exact same. We have been very shrewd with sales getting silly money for the likes of brewster etc

    Owners are doing a great job. Any other manager in the league would have been sacked by now but they are firmly behind the manager which is great to see

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    #177279
    LuckydestinyLuckydestiny
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    Mikus, that argument seems redundant if you consider whether klopp could have come even close to achieving what he did if he took a different approach to building the team

    There is one reality in which we all share, that reality is that klopp has achieved more than you could have dreamed when he first joined pool

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    #177280
    sean the sailor
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    Mikius, fair points chum . Huge problem in the summer was we never replaced Lovren. Very bad decision.

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    #177281
    sean the sailor
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    Exactly lucky mate. I never thought we would win the pl in my lifetime. He has brought us some of the best nights as Liverpool fan playing football that is a joy to watch

    He has remarkably over achieved considering who we are up againest.

    He deserves the criticism now. He’s getting loads of stick as we really have been dreadful but no Liverpool fan has forgotten what he’s done for the ckub

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    #177283
    Mikus
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    Lucky, yes I take the point that Klopp, by galvanising this smaller group of players around a front 3 that had great chemistry and was devastating on the opposition was a big part of our success. But there were times over recent seasons where because that front 3 pretty much played every single game, I just feared the long term consequences of that. And could we not have at least found an alternative option up top to help take the pressure off? Not having a recognised striker or goal scoring midfielder over recent seasons seemed rather unwise to me.

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    #177284
    Nike19Nike19
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    All good points Mikus and true. This brings the point of different systems/formations the whole Management team should have put in place and implemented.

    I’ve never seen practically in all my life Fabinho and Henderson occupying as central defenders. In a top league, you cannot sustain that. We have been exploited and made fools of by other teams. 5 defeats, 5 straight defeats at Anfield. This is History.

    We’ve allowed this to happen even though circumstances have been out of our control. Playing 4-2-3-1 would have been more sensible rather than persisting with high press and risking high lines. I love Klopp, I really do, but to me, he’s buried his head in the sand.

    We didn’t replace Lovren, and we only just bought players when push really came to shove. That’s not the hallmarks of a team that are champions and achieving 99 points.

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    #177285
    Nike19Nike19
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    Sean, that’s true mate. From that point of view, the owners have been supportive towards Klopp. We need really a clean break and all our players rested and recovered properly over the summer.

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    #177287
    LuckydestinyLuckydestiny
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    Mikus, jota was a fantastic signing intended to do just that, he got injured mate just shit luck

    Of course playing same team week in week out for a few seasons will have long term consequences, but is that not a price worth paying for the success klopps approach brought you? And can you, with a straight face, argue pool could have done better with a different manager and approach? I don’t think so mate.

    You will find that out pretty soon though as he won’t be with you forever

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    #177288
    Mikus
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    Lucky, yes Jota getting injured in my opinion was the turning point of our season. We’d already lost Van Dijk & Gomez at that point but Jota was still helping us stay around the top.

    Regards Klopp & his approach, not so much saying he had to completely change it, just that we needed alternative options here and there to help spread the load. Admittedly it’s a great shame Keita hasn’t delivered as he potentially did offer something different, but it’s just not worked out.

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    #177289
    LuckydestinyLuckydestiny
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    Sure mikus you need more options to compete regularly for title, no news to anyone that mate, whether there is anything more klopp could have done about that I’m not sure, but I am sure I would not have expected any manager to achieve with pool what he did.

    If it was down to klopp you would have probably signed werner as well as jota and no doubt a centre back too. you think klopp is the one denying you sufficient options and reinforcements? Has he demanded that he stick with the squad he had and vetoed any moves for good quality “alternative options”?

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    #177290
    LuckydestinyLuckydestiny
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    I do wonder whether a short term change of system should gave been tried, maybe with 3 centre backs for example, but always feel silly second guessing people as qualified as klopp

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    #177293
    sean the sailor
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    Lucky, no I get you mate

    We could even go to 4-2-3-1 for more protection to the defence.

    3-4-3 we have two of the best attacking full backs who be perfect as wing backs?

    Change something as 4-3-3 is not working

    I think we might see a change today in formatting depending on who starts

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    #177298
    LuckydestinyLuckydestiny
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    Yeah Sean it would suit TAA and Robertson perfectly to play as wing backs with 3 centre backs and I have wondered why it hasn’t been tried as these 2 players have been vital offensively for pool and any system change that allows them to stay as offensive as possible is surely worth considering

    But you don’t have 2 good centre backs fit at the moment let alone 3 so that may be something to do with it.

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    #177300
    Mikus
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    Yes I think the owners have been happy with the arrangement of Klopp exceeding expectations with a smaller squad and seemed to be more than happy to leave him to it without themselves taking responsibility of the playing squad and the long term continuity. I think the moneyball strategy still plays a significant part of the transfer strategy.

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    #177301
    sean the sailor
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    No idea why we signed Ben Davis lucky. Makes no sense at all as he could play in a back 3. Left footed etc

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    #177302
    LuckydestinyLuckydestiny
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    Thats fair enough mikus I believe klopp has exceeded all expectations too

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    #177304
    LuckydestinyLuckydestiny
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    Sean, Davies left cb, kabak centre and fabinho right?

    Who would be your midfield? Gino and thiago?

    The Davies signing seemed a bit silly as he is clearly not pool standard but will surely be moved on for profit so presume he was brought in as emergency back up not a starter at no risk due to the price

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    #177305
    Nike19Nike19
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    I’ve not even seen that guy from Preston play.

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