7th November 2019 at 10:38 am #52014
3ps, they have basically got a more harder fixture list than us going forward.
If we do win our game or if they fail to win at Anfield, it could impact their levels of confidence.
Chelsea will fancy getting a draw at the Ethiad and they at the moment are consistent and more resilient than before.
The difference for us is to be able to use last years experience and Ox is now playing regularly. He looks good. Keita and Lallana too chipping in. At the moment, we have weirdly, kryptonite instilled in us that we don’t look like loosing.
Everybody though must be switched on and focused which I’m sure they will.7th November 2019 at 12:24 pm #52015
“City are no great shakes mak?They are missing huge players. Under estimate them mate at your peril. Few bad results but on their day they can smash any team chum”
Didn’t I even say that they might smash us? My point is that I don’t think either team is anywhere near their best. If we went through the games one by one, there’s a lot of supporting evidence to back up my claim. Ridiculously close calls on our side. Poor defending and nervy play from City.
Before this season it was never a “but on their day” kinda thing. It was just the way they were.7th November 2019 at 12:31 pm #52016
“Quite frankly, I don’t really appreciate the criticism towards Naby Keita”
No offense but honestly Nil, too bad. I’ve never been one to tone down my opinion for the sensitivities for others and you certainly haven’t either. Some people think this is a good thing, others, bad but I’ve watched an awful lot of Keita. I’ve credited him after good performance and hoped that it was a sign of things to come. This has happened too few and also too many times, if you catch my drift.
As I think Threeps said, he’s here until at least the summer transfer window, so he has this time to change my mind. Maybe he will come good. I’ve no vendetta against him, just a lack of faith in his ability to impose himself on the PL and to even fit into our teams philosophy. I will tell you one thing, if he doesn’t get a lot better, Klopp will be shipping him out at some stage. Who knows though, maybe he;ll get more than the summer. I guess it might be hard to find someone to pay a large sum for a player who isn’t delivering.8th November 2019 at 10:23 am #52091
Nil I’ve posted a reply regarding your comment on Firmino on here to keep the exclusive Liverpool talk away from a general weekend matches thread.
With all due respect mate but I think you misunderstand that role of Firmino and maybe even Klopp’s tactics. I cannot understand anyone who would critise Firmino (for what your post indicates) as he is probably the most important part of the tactic and in my opinion always the first name on the team sheet. You’ve made a few remarks recently about having a Rush or Fowler to finish off moves and I think you like to reminisce about days long past but things have moved on since the 442 big man little man or whatever.
I don’t look at what Firmino scores, or what Salah does, or even what our much talked about midfield does. I look at what the team scores. Firmino and Salah are contributing a lot even without grabbing the goals themselves. You state a lack of firepower and sorry but that made me laugh, I think just about every team in the world would love to have our lack of firepower!
Yeah Fabinho is 6″4 I think. Great to have a tall lad in the centre for those goalie punts up fields, means he can take care of it leaving the centre backs to maintain their position.8th November 2019 at 3:08 pm #52120
Threeps, I’m not sure how far back you remember but Nil has never liked him. He wasn’t the only one of course, in fact I think a large percentage of fans wanted him shipped out, that was until he scored 23 PL goals, or whatever it was. It was also around then that the media started focusing on what he does off the ball. Most of the anti-Firmino stuff came to an abrupt halt back then but you can’t please everyone. You guys all know that i think Hendo needs to play to a higher level , consistently to remain in the side… that’s my controversial opinion I guess. we’ve all got them. The Firmino thing to me is baffling though.
We have a team full of world class, or players who are close to that title. Even then, Firmino is one of the first names on the teamsheet. I’ve no doubt about this at all. As for us having a lack of firepower in that front 3, well I’ve no comment for that besides to say that we have one of the best attacks in the world. We’re probably 2nd behind City in that regard.
The midfield isn’t too bad, it’s just not flashy. I don’;t agree with a lot of Klopp’s selections when it comes to midfield. I’d utilize Milner more often but maybe Klopp’s sports science boys have told him that he just can’t keep pace anymore? He looks good to me when I see him. That ball on for a goal that Mane scored recently was sublime. He’s always had that in him.
Fabinho is bloody fantastic, nobody takes his place. Wijnaldum for me deserves his place in the side. So the 3rd is open to Oxlade/Hendo/Milner. I’m over-simplifying here of course but with Oxlade looking better and better, I’d start him against city.8th November 2019 at 3:25 pm #52122
Chelsea fans used to have a similar discussion relating to Jon Obi Mikel and I would use the same argument here.
If a player constantly gets picked by his manager, it’s usually for one of two reasons.
1 – he’s sleeping with the manager, highly unlikely.
2 – he’s doing exactly what the managers asking of him and doing it well – most likely.
….Pagan8th November 2019 at 3:39 pm #52124
Ya, I mean I would lve to see a massive club come in and try to buy Firmino. Then you’d know his true value to the side when Klopp tells them to jump in the river, or send us 150m.8th November 2019 at 10:41 pm #52132
This is blown out of context and proportion. It’s not personal and a point of dis-liking someone. It’s noticing if anything somebody’s form dipped or a slight deficiency.
GOALS: Where do they predominantly come from? Strikers and players playing up the higher end of the pitch as they are closer to the Goalmouth, in ‘layman’s terms’.
Salah’s in that zone at the moment like a lot of our past Strikers or front man where it’s not been happening for him. Firmino too.
CLEARLY, my post elsewhere was misread as I was actually complimentary towards Firmino albeit he isn’t scoring goals.
Now, one could argue, it’s a Team Effort. SADIO MANE is the MAIN MAN and our APEX, However, better than ever before, We Are a Team.
Goals are coming from a variety of outfield players and that’s Refreshing, Truly. It was merely an area of criticism pulled because I don’t want us to completely DRY-UP in GOALS.8th November 2019 at 10:42 pm #52133
Mak me old mate, my daughter told me :>)) was a smiley face & whilst it took me a while to figure it out I finally got it. I was having a laugh mate, not offended in the slightest bud.
Threeps mate I must admit I had a laugh at your post, sitting top by 6 & being chopped for how bad we are, very good point.
Gods honest truth lads I have only seen highlights of our games as fox sport in Oz doesn’t play any games any more (Optus mobile service has the rights & I ain’t paying any more for subscriptions) so I go off those & what people say after the games. I know it’s like watching clips off YouTube to see if a player is any good but from what I read & see we are missing a lot of chances ( I suppose should be happy we are creating them) & other teams have missed some pretty easy chances against us as well. I just see city as more clinical than others & base my prediction on that.
It appears to me in big games at home in the EPL the crowd & players seem nervous whereas in the C/L it’s like there’s a belief we will beat everyone.
Anyhow here’s to a win Mark me old mate, that’d really put us in a great posi.
Take care all.8th November 2019 at 10:45 pm #52134
3ps, only just noticed your reply within the last 10 mins on visiting this thread.
Tricky with The General Weekend Football. I get the impression people on that thread get p’d off seeing Liverpool Posters and Chat, so I’ll try and keep our thoughts, here.9th November 2019 at 2:09 am #52135
Glad to hear it Oz cause although I do maybe pick at you for suggesting we will lose or whatever, I’m never intending to offend or get your back up. Maybe I have to work on my delivery a bit more.
“from what I read & see we are missing a lot of chances ( I suppose should be happy we are creating them)”
I actually think that a lot of the time, the chances that are being created as not up to the level that they used to be. There’s a bit of a lack of flow in our forward play sometimes and that final ball is usually too slow, or too heavy.
You could look at Salah as a perfect example of someone who’s playing well enough but getting nothing from it because he just lacks that killer instinct. Maybe Firmino too but not in the way that Nil is suggesting. Firmino’s number 1 role is not goals, I don’t care how many times it’s said. Salah and Mane are our goal scorers and Firmino is the catalyst. Could he do better? sure but so could the other 2 and the 2 more forward playing midfielders. If you want to talk about problems in the side, that’s where it is for me but Oxlade is back to 100% match fitness and he seems to have that mental sharpness too.
I’ll be upset if Klopp starts Hendo over Oxlade against City.
As for some of our Liverpool chat, you cant blame other fans for maybe not loving some of our talk in other channels. way off at the top and talking like we’re below expectations. Maybe they’d get it if they watched every game like we do but they have their own teams to support.9th November 2019 at 2:12 am #52136
3-0 Liverpool and City in disarray. City are a bit off colour and I just have this feeling, especially with their injury problems to key players.9th November 2019 at 2:16 am #52137
also Oz, you know what? I think that CL belief is starting to take in the PL. There have been times where we’ve gone down a goal and I just know we’re going to score and maybe win. I just feel it. If you were to ask me, I’d say City look more nervy lately. As the game gets closer and closer though, I’m already feeling the anxiety. The lads will NEED that Anfield crowd. We’ll need a perfect performance too. I think we’re we’re favourites but not by a longshot.
anyway that’s all for the thread until after the game. I think the discussion will be centered around midfield, hopefully praising Oxlade or me saying I was wrong for Klopp to not start Hendo but please ,,, please no Keita (love to be super wrong here with a screamer also but…).
team I;d start :
Trent – Gomez – Van Dijk – Robertson
Oxlade – Fabinho – Wijnaldum
Salah – Firmino – Mane
team I think Klopp will start :
Trent – Lovren – Van Dijk – Robertson
Henderson – Fabinho – Wijnaldum
Salah – Firmino – Mane
Which would ye prefer or what alternatives would you lads offer?9th November 2019 at 10:26 am #52147
sean the sailorParticipant285 pts
Mak, Hendo will Defo start tomorrow mate
I always liked firmino. You could see what skill he had from the off but he got an injury early days
Also Rodgers didn’t know his best position. Klopp found the best position for him and he’s an absolute delight to watch. Klopp has turned him into a top top player.
Firmino is our focal point. It’s not about how many goals he gets
Him and Robbo are my favourite players9th November 2019 at 11:13 am #52148
Henderson has had a bit of illness this week but if ok I’d expect him to start. Go with intensity from the start. Ox can be plan B if we need it. If Hendo isn’t fit then I think it’s a choice of Milner as a like for like or Ox. Ox had said himself his fitness isn’t there yet when it come to the defensive side, I imagine he means the intensity, but going forward he’s look good.
Think the general consensus is that Henderson will be ok.
Know you’re a big fan of Gonez Mak and so am I but he hasn’t shown anything to suggest he should start. Likewise Lovren hasn’t done much wrong to say he needs dropping.
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