27th August 2019 at 12:16 pm #46426
Agreed, good call on Lijnders, assuming he doesn’t move with Klopp to his next club. Sean, we’re a very different setup to the one Rafa inherited originally. He had to do his best with the standard of player we could attract at the time and although he is primarily still a defence first type of coach, his 08-09 team had reached a good level of overall quality, to the point where we were more offensive in nature.
It’s still a good point though, as even going from 2 seasons ago to the way we played last season was quite jarring.
Managers (good ones) will see the strengths of the players available to them and do their best to fully exploit their talents. Rafa is a great example for me. You look at his signing of Torres, a player who’s goal scoring record in Spain was far from eye opening. He was a big name but he certainly wasn’t an all round great player. Rafa saw that he was devastating when receiving a pass that he could run onto. He wasn’t great in some other ways that you would want from a more well rounded CF but in this one thing, he was probably unmatched and Rafa fully exploited this to great success.
Take this and look at the selection of players we have now in defence. In a hypothetical situation where Rafa is manager again tomorrow, do you think he definitely goes back to sitting deep, absorbing pressure etc etc?
With Fabinho, this is genuinely on the table but looking only at the defence, I think he’d see that they can play another way.
Just look at the quality of player Rafa had in his earlier phases and you’ll see that he didn’t have much in the way of options, if he wanted to win anything.
Now I know this is an incredibly long-winded comment that is ultimately, meaningless hypothesis. I share your concerns about going back to a less impressive form of football but I think in almost every case, this is going to happen regardless. The Pep Lijnders angle is something that I didn’t think of though and that could genuinely be a way to avoid this kind of issue.27th August 2019 at 3:57 pm #46458
Although at first I was unsure, I can only see ‘that seat’ saved for one Guy when Klopp goes in 2022: Steven Gerrard.
By then he’d be experienced and ready and by then, Liverpool would at least sewn up 1 PL Title and end their long draught.
If anyone recalls 2016/17 the season Chelsea won it, this was Klopp’s first season in charge and he signed Sadio. No Salah back in those days, but boy, did we see some proper gegen press.
Rightly we got criticised for no plan B, but now have a lot more maturity about us.
I’m desperate though for Lallana for example to show that sort of him that he had when he was at Southampton – he’s a brilliant little player.27th August 2019 at 4:10 pm #4646229th August 2019 at 8:44 am #46589
AdlabParticipant184 pts29th August 2019 at 10:35 am #46591
Adlab, I would strongly recommend for you not to listen that Dross of a Station. It is one Verbal Diarrhea. There’s nothing they can tell that you don’t already know!29th August 2019 at 11:32 am #46593
AdlabParticipant184 pts29th August 2019 at 7:05 pm #46657
I thought I’d start the convo in here because it might just annoy other fans but seriously lads, Van Dijk taking down the first major player award outside of the PL. Amazing and it gives me hope that he could actually win the big one.
I’m chuffed for himself and Alisson, who took the keeper award. They were both mighty expensive at the time and while we worried about whether they’d prove to be a success, other fans then were giving us a lot of stick (not on here), suggesting that we’d dramatically over paid… well, look at what we got for our 130 M or so.
Amazing. Congrats to the 2 of them.
On a side note, I hope Alisson can get back to us soon.2nd September 2019 at 1:32 pm #46935
One of Klopp’s greatest ability’s seems to be how the actual profession doesn’t seem to affect him. Carragher has for example said that it effectively put him off management when he saw how the game affected both Houllier and Benitez at the end of their respective times with the club. Whilst it will still somewhat wear him out eventually (hence his recent contract extension admission), Klopp never seems to take it too seriously or get bogged down and he therefore keeps things as fresh as ever…7th September 2019 at 6:20 am #47160
Is it just me or has Robertson not quite hit form yet? I won’t get too worried as it’s early enough but 4 games deep… you should be up to full fitness and firing by then. Hopefully he’ll come back after the international break and grab a few assists in the coming few games. Start bombing up the wing but for me, I think Trent is light years ahead of him so far and that wasn’t the case last season.
As for the rest, well the front 3 will have to start thinking more like a team. I’ve been frustrated with both Firmino and Salah so far… only when it comes to a few occasions where they should be looking for a pass. Other than that they are doing great. Pleased with Van Dijk and Matip. To the point where I can’t seem Gomez getting into the team any time soon. You lads know how much of an advocate I am for Gomez, so it’s mighty high praise for Matip, who is in the best form of his time with us (including the end of last season).
It’s all a bit flat here with us though. Bare that ion mind when you think I’m stating the obvious or over thinking the above. I thought I’d offer some minor talking points, to help us through the international break.7th September 2019 at 8:53 am #47161
Robertson is doing fine mate. He only started to build up Assists in the 2nd half of the season.
That’s the thing with firmino. He tries to play passes others would try and when they come off we are mostly nearly all the time in on goal. Other times he gives it sway but that’s the risks he takes.
I think we are playing well. It’s been a great start to the season. Lot of games coming up now so hoping to see Shaqiri and a few others get a bit of time
Matip has been brilliant for a good while now. Another player klopp has vastly improved
Really exciting times to be a Liverpool supporter. I don’t think I’ve seen a better Liverpool team in all my years.8th September 2019 at 11:42 am #47210
Our great start to the Season:10th September 2019 at 8:05 am #47239
On another note, are we playing more like 17/18 then last season
Full backs are pushed so high up and we are relentless going forward.
We are sometimes leaving ourselves 2 on 2 at the back
Clean sheet againest burnley was big.
I also think Adrian has done quite well since he came in and I rate him
Apologies don’t want to turn this into
A Liverpool thread.10th September 2019 at 8:48 am #47241
Chucky McChuckfaceParticipant376 pts
You’re allowed on this one Waspy… 🙂10th September 2019 at 3:44 pm #4724310th September 2019 at 4:42 pm #47245
Chucky McChuckfaceParticipant376 pts
You’re welcome Waspy…
So, this Mo Salah lad, he any good? 🙂
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