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  • #49902 Score: 0
    sean the sailor
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    Lovren played very well on sat threeps.

    Matip has been excellent since the home game to Napoli in the cl last December

    He’s has become more aggressive. He’s better on the ball. He’s definitely 1st choice now and we missed him againest Salzburg

    #49904 Score: 0
    newbalancenewbalance
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    I mentioned on the other thread about Lovren. He’s a lot more of a senior now. To be fair, he’s in his 5th year at the club so by now, he should be the ‘full-shilling’, but in fairness to him and the back 4, it helps if he is surrounded by first class quality in Van Dijk, Robertson and Trent.

    Moreno’s habit in poor positioning and not tracking back often gave Lovren problems. Back in the early days of Klopp’s reign, we had to manage with players like Klavan.

    #49905 Score: 0
    sean the sailor
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    I don’t think Klavan wasn’t that bad st all mate

    Did a decent job for us and is a bit of cult hero as first player from Estonia to play for us

    Lovren just concerns me as he can be having a great game then switched off for a minute and it’s costly

    #49912 Score: 0
    newbalancenewbalance
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    Sean, I understand what you’re saying mate, but I think it was one of those situations where Klavan was thrown into the mixer at the point of the team being in transition.

    Klopp was new at the time and he was trying to sort the mess Rodgers had left.

    That 2013/14 Title Charge saw us shipping in lots of goals even though we had S S S (Sturridge-Sterling-Suarez).

    Those defensive problems weren’t addressed properly the season after when Rodgers basically messed up.

    Klavan would have been better in a more settled line up with an established back 4. Van Dijk is such a massive help and I think others feel more stable and self-assured knowing they are surrounded by him.

    #50298 Score: 0
    maverick1973maverick1973
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    Coutinho & Can=pair of bellends!!!

    #50319 Score: 0
    newbalancenewbalance
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    Mav, my workmate showed me the link mate.

    I liked Emre Can, one of Rodgers’ better signings, but now sure where he’d fit into your system.

    Coutinho, I love the Boy. His mind at the mo seems unsettled and I think that’s just purely down to in hindsight making the wrong choices.

    #50351 Score: 0
    Anonymous
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    Klavan wasn’t a bad player. He was like an old Carragher. He could read the game but you wouldnt expect him to be quick. He was fine as long as he was considered 5th choice. My issue was when we were starting with him. He’s definitely not good enough to start a game. we’re all agreed on that now but that wasnt the case before.

    #50443 Score: 1
    newbalancenewbalance
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    I ALWAYS AND FOREVER BELIEVE IN THINGS HAPPENING FOR A REASON:

    Kenny Dalglish – SECOND WIND:

    I WANTED A FAIRYTALE – It didn’t unfortunately happen.

    I really valued that Centre Half we had who’s name escapes me – Quartez? Something like that. Rodgers Rid of him.

    I didn’t like that and he was just a Sly Nobhead.

    I was aware though in Kenny trying at the time to Sign Scott Dann.

    Chelsea1967
    #50447 Score: 1
    Chelsea1967Chelsea1967
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    Interesting article I came across that you might like to read Nil re Brendan Rogers at Liverpool.

    https://qz.com/358097/lessons-in-leadership-from-doing-the-hardest-job-in-sport/

    newbalance
    #50451 Score: 0
    newbalancenewbalance
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    Thanks C67.

    He did at least admit and acknowledge he could no longer go on. Suarez was a big loss that season.

    #50605 Score: 0
    threepsthreeps
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    After yesterday’s frustration the topic of the midfield as risen again. For most of the game Liverpool were poor but I don’t think you can single out individual players. For me the system was wrong and the person to blame is Klopp.

    Everyone knows that Utd were going to play a low block defence and let Liverpool have the ball as much as they want in non-threatening areas. Usually the main creative aspect of our play is down the wings with very advanced full backs and the movement of the front 3. Fab, Gini and Hendo, which seems at the moment to be Klopp’s default midfield, are brilliant at protecting the fullbacks, gaining the ball back and quickly recycling it. But what they can’t do is create space for the fullbacks if there is no space due to the opposition. Utd played this very well, restricting the wing attacks to a minimum and said you have to play through us if you want a goal, which is another thing those 3 are not very good at against an organised low block defence.

    I was disappointed when I saw the team sheet. I wanted either Ox or Keita as the more advanced midfielder to give that extra drive and creativity in the middle. I would of dropped Henderson. Klopp made changes in the second half which did make a difference, Lallana and Keita looked sharp. Keita I thought looked very good in his very small cameo, getting into good positions and speeding up the tempo.

    But why couldn’t Liverpool start like that knowing how Utd would play? Does he not trust Keita and Ox yet, maybe due to their injury problems? I think Klopp has a tendency to very slowly ease players back.

    Against Genk I would like to see Keita start, surely this is the best way to get him back up to speed. Resort back to the usual 3 against Spurs where I am sure more space will be afforded to the fullbacks.

    I disagree to those saying we need a new midfielder, I think we already have what we need we just need to use it better. And if you get another that would mean either Ox or Keita would become surplus to requirements and I think it’s too early to say that.

    #50606 Score: 0
    Anonymous
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    A good post. It’s hard to say whether Klopp doesn’t trust certain players because of their ability, or the injuries, as he does tend to ease certain players back alright. I think that while we don’t have an answer yet, there is a reasonable chance that Klopp just doesn’t have some lads in his plans. Although restricted to comeos, Ox and Keita have got to perform or I feel they might lose the battle to stay in this team. Only time will tell.

    The Genk game is a great chance to give people a chance and also get them some match fitness alright. It wouldn’t hurt for Klopp to start Gomez against Genk also, at CB.

    #50633 Score: 0
    sean the sailor
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    That’s my issue threeps. I was predicting how we would play and that’s what disappoints me. It was just so predictable

    Utd away last season was exactly the same. Not enough for players turn up away from home in hostile atmospheres.

    I’ll still take that point all day long.

    #50685 Score: 1
    newbalancenewbalance
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    Avoiding this in the Weekend Footy Thread, but we have done remarkably well to win those 18 games on the bounce ever since the draw I think it was at Goodison.

    What a journey.

    We didn’t lose. That really felt good when Lallana nabbed the equalizer. We still are not panicking when we’re a goal down. If things turned out differently with Mane, we’d have gone on to win I have no doubt about that.

    3ps is right about creativity and drive and Keita and Lallana provide that.

    I am happy if they play just one half, but they should feature. Henderson for me far too pedestrian in fact, Gini already is covering that defensive midfielder role with Fabinho. Klopp needs to also take more often with Ox. Is he cautious because of their history of injuries?

    He should trust in these players because they are vital nuts and bolts to our toolbox if we are to compete in every competition.

    #50855 Score: 0
    threepsthreeps
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    Guys I couldn’t watch the whole match last night as had to watch the Sky conference around the grounds things so would be interested in what you made of it. Especially the midfield.

    Keita made more passes and more interceptions than anyone else yet i read on the bbc blog he had some very good moments but was then on the periphery of the game. Thoughts? And how did Ox do apart from the excellent goals?

    Seemed we were opened up a few times too easily early on.

    #50856 Score: 0
    sean the sailor
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    Threeps, they played 2 up top , our full backs were way up the pitch twice and two long balls caught us out. Alison made a very good save.

    It’s the way we play. We often just have two at the back with fabhino offering a bit of cover.

    I thought we played well. 4 excellent goals and ox offered a bit more of an attacking prowess. Keita was very good. Just constantly probing forward.

    Bad goal to concede which kind of sums Lovren

    #50857 Score: 0
    threepsthreeps
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    Yeah I saw their goal live and it wasn’t good from Lovren although there were two other players nearby too (Gomez and Fabinho?) that didn’t exactly cover themselves in glory.

    There’s an article in the Echo this morning saying that the Ox/Keita experiment is unlikely to be used again (maybe when chasing a goal?) as it put Fabinho under too much strain as the only defense minded midfielder. It will mean two extra options however. I mentioned the other day I don’t think we need to buy a new creative midfielder, we just need to use the players we got. This mean use Ox, or Keita, when the situation requires them, and likewise for Henderson, Milner and Gini. We are top of the league without using Ox or Keita so hopefully with them we can do even better. We have good options in midfield.

    #50858 Score: 2
    Chelsea1967Chelsea1967
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    That second Ox goal was something else. What a strike.

    newbalancethreeps
    #50861 Score: 0
    Mikus
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    Liverpool have conceded 6 goals in 3 games in the CL this season. That’s an average of 2 goals per game.

    In the premier league, Liverpool have conceded 7 goals in 9 games. That’s an average of 0.78 goals per game.

    Quite a difference. And the CL group we’re in is hardly out of this world. So I don’t think it was all down to the more attacking midfield last night that we still looked suspect at the back – are we being a bit overly cavalier in the CL so far this season?

    #50907 Score: 0
    Anonymous
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    366 pts

    We were the same last season in the group stages. Its dangerous but sometimes its just hard to be as motivated as the opposition. Ive never been tpo fond of easy groups because we have struggled to qualify from them on a number of occasions throughout our recent history.

    As things stand, we’re on the road to qualification, so Im not too alarmed just yet.

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