Liverpool Going Forward

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[Anonymous]

I thought I’d start the convo in here because it might just annoy other fans but seriously lads, Van Dijk taking down the first major player award outside of the PL. Amazing and it gives me hope that he could actually win the big one.

I’m chuffed for himself and Alisson, who took the keeper award. They were both mighty expensive at the time and while we worried about whether they’d prove to be a success, other fans then were giving us a lot of stick (not on here), suggesting that we’d dramatically over paid… well, look at what we got for our 130 M or so.

Amazing. Congrats to the 2 of them.

On a side note, I hope Alisson can get back to us soon.

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[Mikus LFC]

One of Klopp’s greatest ability’s seems to be how the actual profession doesn’t seem to affect him. Carragher has for example said that it effectively put him off management when he saw how the game affected both Houllier and Benitez at the end of their respective times with the club. Whilst it will still somewhat wear him out eventually (hence his recent contract extension admission), Klopp never seems to take it too seriously or get bogged down and he therefore keeps things as fresh as ever…

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Is it just me or has Robertson not quite hit form yet? I won’t get too worried as it’s early enough but 4 games deep… you should be up to full fitness and firing by then. Hopefully he’ll come back after the international break and grab a few assists in the coming few games. Start bombing up the wing but for me, I think Trent is light years ahead of him so far and that wasn’t the case last season.

As for the rest, well the front 3 will have to start thinking more like a team. I’ve been frustrated with both Firmino and Salah so far… only when it comes to a few occasions where they should be looking for a pass. Other than that they are doing great. Pleased with Van Dijk and Matip. To the point where I can’t seem Gomez getting into the team any time soon. You lads know how much of an advocate I am for Gomez, so it’s mighty high praise for Matip, who is in the best form of his time with us (including the end of last season).

It’s all a bit flat here with us though. Bare that ion mind when you think I’m stating the obvious or over thinking the above. I thought I’d offer some minor talking points, to help us through the international break.

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[sean the sailor]

Robertson is doing fine mate. He only started to build up Assists in the 2nd half of the season.

That’s the thing with firmino. He tries to play passes others would try and when they come off we are mostly nearly all the time in on goal. Other times he gives it sway but that’s the risks he takes.

I think we are playing well. It’s been a great start to the season. Lot of games coming up now so hoping to see Shaqiri and a few others get a bit of time

Matip has been brilliant for a good while now. Another player klopp has vastly improved

Really exciting times to be a Liverpool supporter. I don’t think I’ve seen a better Liverpool team in all my years.

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[Nike19]

Our great start to the Season:

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[sean the sailor]

On another note, are we playing more like 17/18 then last season

Full backs are pushed so high up and we are relentless going forward.

We are sometimes leaving ourselves 2 on 2 at the back

Clean sheet againest burnley was big.

I also think Adrian has done quite well since he came in and I rate him
Above Mignolet.

Apologies don’t want to turn this into
A Liverpool thread.

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[Chucky McChuckface]

You’re allowed on this one Waspy… 🙂

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[sean the sailor]

Lol thanks banjo

Thought I was on the wrong thread buttercup

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[Chucky McChuckface]

You’re welcome Waspy…

So, this Mo Salah lad, he any good? 🙂

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[Anonymous]

Not gonna say anything unless he wins 3 golden boots in a row.

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[Nike19]

Some tough games ahead for us. Should be a clear-cut 3 points for us Saturday, but then back on the road to defend our Elite Crown – Napoli Away? Our next game after is on a Sunday at Chelsea. Hope our players stay fit and focused.

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[threeps]

Saw a post on the Euro Football thread about our midfield by Mikus but thought best reply here to save myself from the wrath of Nine when us Liverpool fans take over a general football thread (j/k Nine!)

The post mentions a lack of goals from our midfield 3. This seems to be a common talking point amongst LFC fans, usually including a lack of creativity and assists and that we need to buy someone to fill that “void” (sorry Mikus, going slightly off tangent to your post, part of it replies to you post, part of it expands to a more common theme).

My opinion is that we are pretty good in midfield, and that these “problems” only appear in hindsight on the very few occasions we lose or even draw (think most fans expect 100% winning record these days!). But we win with that same laborious midfield a heck of a lot, a record amount of times. So overall what’s the problem? As far as I can see there is not a column in the table that says “goals from midfield”, so if the team is doing well who cares if we score a total of 9 from midfield or whatever.

Some say “if we had a Coutinho type (yes him again sorry!) then we would won instead of draw” but again that is with hindsight. Plus I counter this argument by saying that maybe those draws would actually be defeats. That argument has exactly the same weight as they saying we would of won, as in it’s pure speculation.

We have Keita and OX already at the club that provide something a little different whilst maintaining the overall common work ethic of the midfield group. They’ve both had problems with injury and settling, maybe they will feature more in the future. In their absence last season however we did pretty damn good.

• This reply was modified 4 years, 7 months ago by threeps.

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[Nike19]

I still think we should have signed an attacking midfielder at the very least. That’s where my disappointment lies.

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[threeps]

Where tactically would he fit? And what message does that send to Ox and Keita?

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[Nike19]

Who was there on Tuesday to support the front 3?

Nobody

The clear message should be to get fit and deliver your best.

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[sean the sailor]

Very interesting and valid points threeps.

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[threeps]

Nil answering a question with a question doesn’t really answer the question!

Thanks Sean. We all have different views and opinions, the World would be boring without. I like people to expand theirs rationally and in context of the current team/situation.

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[Nike19]

3p’s I’m making my point though and alluding to Napoli. Man City go and win away quite comfortably putting Riyad Mahrez on and playing a fit KDB.

Whilst we are defensively more drilled and goals last season did come from various different areas on the pitch, the reality so far is that players like Shaqs and Lallana are still not up to the very highest of standards.

Just one new signing might have made a world of difference.

That’s all I’m saying.

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[Mikus LFC]

Threeps, as I said on TT, I very much accept our plan A tends to work very well most of the time, and perhaps if we had not been competing with Guardiola’s City, one wouldn’t need to go through our team with a fine tooth comb. But we are, so we have to.

This is about making us as robust as possible. Just to be clear, I’m not suggesting we ought to have gone out and bought a luxury attacking midfielder, but I do think it’s not a lot to expect that at least a few of our hard working midfielders also have that goal scoring ability. Indeed we saw how crucial those Wijnaldum goals were vs Barcelona. But we just needed a bit more of that versatility and back up at times.

Now you might argue that had we instructed our midfield to be more aggressive, that might have cost us at the back. But interestingly I would argue this risk factor is exactly where we lost out to City last season. I think for a large part of last season Klopp was trying to find the balance between defence and attack, and we obviously operated in a less gung ho fashion than we had been. That for a large part was obviously a *good* thing. However, in the *big* games last season, particularly in the 6 pointer at the Etihad, we lost that attacking edge that saw us win there previously. So this is perhaps more of a big game problem where we’ve lost our edge. And look at our results in the bigger games last season – we lost every away game in the CL group stage, barely making it out the group. We gained just 1/6 points in the huge games vs City, and we dropped points against Everton & Man Utd, i.e. the biggest games in our calendar.

It might seem harsh, but we have to examine such things when the opposition is formidable. Whether Keita and Ox would have made a difference, well I think they would have, though thinking more about it, I think a lot of it was ultimately down to this balance of risk in the bigger games that Klopp was clearly grappling with last season. And just to link this back to the Wijnaldum point above – why did we deliver in that game? – because the “risk balance” was somewhat thrown out because we *had* to go for it. And what happened? We won and won big!

• This reply was modified 4 years, 7 months ago by Mikus LFC.
• This reply was modified 4 years, 7 months ago by Mikus LFC.

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