22nd July 2019 at 8:06 am #4374322nd July 2019 at 10:56 am #43754
Seville feel like a real enemy to us and we fell short yesterday. Not a good game at all.
Players tired, and depth in quality lacking though that kid that was loaned out looks good for the future and the goalie, lonegan.
We have less that 2 weeks and no proper summer signing, still.?22nd July 2019 at 5:56 pm #43763EditorKeymaster466 pts
Apologies. I’ve not been on the site as much as I’d have liked over the last few weeks. I’ve not read through the whole thread but got the gist of the topic re new posters having read the last couple of pages.
I completely understand Nine’s concerns re the site becoming too heavily balanced towards the same club. Similarly, I completely understand the Liverpool fans’ wanting to get more of their fans on board. In an ideal world, we’d all try to get more fans on from our own clubs and the balance would hopefully start to even out somewhat, albeit it will always be weighted towards the “bigger” clubs.
My view on it all is this. I don’t want any set of fans to feel that they should be prevented from bringing their follow fans here for fear of exceeding some sort of acceptable ratio of a certain team compared to others. As far as I’m concerned, go for it. Bring as many in as possible. It’s then my job to ensure the likes of Nine still see this site as being somewhere he wants to post. Whether that means I need to look at having separate club sites (for certain clubs) and then have a generic section too, or if it means I need to use the increase in, for example, Liverpool fans to try to drive more other fans then so be it. It could mean for example that I look at some unobtrusive ad placements as a result of the extra traffic to drive more signups from other clubs. My point is that I completely understand Nine (and anyone else’s) concerns but I see those concerns being my job to deal rather than being a blocker to getting more traffic on the site.
Last couple of points.
1. It’s Footydebate, not Footyplace ?
2. Nobody needs ever worry about posters who cause issues else signing up here. I’ve put plenty of things I place to ensure that doesn’t happen. Firstly, any new member’s posts are hidden until they’ve had their first post approved. Only myself and Nine can approve those. Secondly, anyone who gets through that far will be blocked if they eventually become a nuisance. Both myself and Nine can do that with the click of a button.23rd July 2019 at 11:48 am #43787
Was on a 9 hour yesterday so didn’t get much time to put forward my thoughts. Positives from the Seville game: Harry Wilson and Andy Lonegan.
As much as I’d turn a blind eye, I can’t help but think even with Origi featuring, without the front 3, we were toothless at the top.
I must be reading into this, and normally as such, I may have not paid too much attention. I just really dislike Seville, and losing 2 pre-season matches, although by a single goal doesn’t particularly do our preparations any favours unless they are deemed purely to emphasize on fitness levels of our players.
I’m looking more at our depth and as much as it pains me to say, Man City are ahead of us.24th July 2019 at 8:25 pm #43885maverick1973Participant608 pts25th July 2019 at 1:25 pm #43916
Mav, Klopp pretty much confirmed there won’t be any big money spent on transfer this window given what was spent last season.
I think there is more focus on integrating younger players into the first team, and clearing out what’s not needed.
Those players brought last year like Keita will now need to concentrate on getting fit and slotting back into the cog-wheel.
We’ll clearly need to replicate the form like last season which I have to say deep down, it’s an ask. I don’t feel too confident at the mo given currently our situation with our front 3.26th July 2019 at 9:36 am #43965
Klopp has come out with some positive words regarding Brewster. He doesn’t normally do this, and this is why I think he is not going to be another Sinclair, Ibe or any of the countless others.
“I love the boy, he is fantastic player. Why should I play it down?” Klopp said.
“Rhian Brewster is a top striker, he is a top talent and I have told him already that he has an important role this year – but how important depends on him.”
Heard that the young lad Lacouri could step up to the first team this season as both left and right back cover. Not seen a lot of him pre-season, apart from getting kicked 6 foot in the air, anyone have an opinion?26th July 2019 at 10:45 am #43966
He looks decent threeps but is all left footed so not sure he can cover right full.26th July 2019 at 11:13 am #43968
Sean, had a feeling that might be the case. Although from a defensive point of view it can work in your favour as many teams play with inverted wingers. For attacking not great, I hate it when players have to check back onto their stronger foot to cross a ball, often kills the attack.26th July 2019 at 11:23 am #43970AnonymousInactive366 pts
We can’t compete financially with City. We never will be able to and you know what? If we could then Klopp wouldn’t have come here in the first place. He likes not only a challenge but a project where he can create a proper legacy. If we could just buy success, his legacy wouldn’t be worth s***. I think other fans might disagree with this but to me, Klopp’s CL win is worth more than anything City have done since they were bought out. It’s not quite like Rafa, as we’ve spent an awful lot to get where we are but it was a burst of spending, it’s not sustainable to continue in this way.
If you want, think of it as the club taking a financial breather. They sprinted with some of the huge purchases like Van Dijk, Alisson , Keita, Fabinho etc and now our books have got to rest. I mean, not bad from a club that only a few years ago wasn’t playing CL football. Our last 2 seasons have definitely put us back on track financially and when the time comes, we’ll be ready to sprint again.
Take a look back at How Edwards/FSG/LFC have spent and look at what Klopp has done with that investment. It’ll never be perfect. There will always be issues or weaknesses that we think need to be sorted but the red blips are fewer and far between now. We’ve got a bloody awesome team that destroyed Bayern in Germany and pulled back a 3 goal deficit to beat fricken Barca at Anfield. Did Man City with their bench of feckin platinum and gems manage that? No they went out against Spurs, who we then beat.
We finished 1 point behind City, not 20. The reason for this was (in my opinion) definitely down to mentality and not tiredness, or a lack of options. We’re potentially the best team in the world and we’re all fearing Man city. Come on guys, 5 + 1 times. Champions of Europe. It’s got to mean something. It has to validate what Klopp is doing.
PS. I don’t give a **** about the results of the friendlies. Aside from them being there just to get players fit for the season, Klopp is probably using them to work on various plays instead of having an outright objective to win. A victory in pre-season gives him what? nothing. To get the ball into a situation he has been working on in training a few more times than he would if he just tried to win, actually has value that carries into the season.26th July 2019 at 11:42 am #43971
Good post Mak agree with you. Some fans, and I’m not talking about the ones on this site, are just interested in big shiny new signings for the sake of it, without understand what Klopp and his team are creating.26th July 2019 at 4:42 pm #43992AnonymousInactive366 pts
Just to be clear about my talk of posting on a Liverpool thread. I’m not suggesting we segregate supporters like Nil has suggests once or twice 😛
Simply that I think we can be a bit more pro-Liverpool in the way we talk and people who come and read stuff here can’t claim that it’s a wind up or a troll comment etc etc , sounds fair? Nine, Ed?
Nine, BTW, i agree with you regards not throwing the balance of supporters out and turning this into a Liverpool site. Simply, you lads will have to get yer thumbs out and invite friends or old decent supporters here. Seriously, get going on it.27th July 2019 at 12:19 am #44005
It was never a case from my point of view of ‘Shiny signings’ but a balance and a mixture of Youth-Experience-and-The-Million-Dollar-Man-or-Ready-To-Go-And-Somebody-Proven.
We have a history ala Stan Collymore being one example. Is it so much of a crime to think and hope for somebody ready made like a Marco Reus?
Ask ourselves though, all-in-all, going into Next Season:
1) What are we about?
2) What are we aspiring for?
I have used Manchester City to compare, however, I would go as far as being too bother about what they do and trying to ‘keep up with them’. We’re not owned by their owners. We are what we are, and that’s the bottom line.
I have to say with the philosophy supposedly presumed in Klopp focusing and investing into youth, why is Ryan Brewster hyped like the next best ‘thing’?
Has he been played or has he ‘shown up’ in our more tougher pre-season friendlies?
Regardless of Klopp’s intentions and vision, we have lost friendlies with First Team regulars. Not to get worked up and obsessed, I wouldn’t in the same breath, brush recent results under the carpet like “ah well it’s nothing serious to worry about”
That’s me as I actually want to see my side command like a Liverpool Team, play football, score goals, win and ENJOY IT!
There isn’t at the moment anything particularly to feel upbeat about.29th July 2019 at 11:06 am #44088AnonymousInactive366 pts
” Is it so much of a crime to think and hope for somebody ready made like a Marco Reus?”
I thought I already responded to this but the post failed I guess… anyway the question I have to ask you is, Who do you take out of the starting 11 for Reus?
You can’t mention rotation, back-up or competition for this level of player. He must be in the first 11.
As for the balance of multi-million dollar signings and youth, well man, the balance part of that comes now. Brewster is stepping into the match day squad, after 2 years of heavy spending.
“1) What are we about?
2) What are we aspiring for?”
Those questions were answered last season. That being competing for the best trophies on the planet.
“I have to say with the philosophy supposedly presumed in Klopp focusing and investing into youth, why is Ryan Brewster hyped like the next best ‘thing’?”
I think you’re asking what’s he done to deserve this hype? In short, it’s not hype at all. It’s Klopp and his staff working with him in training for a long time and Klopp coming out and saying that he will play an important role this coming season. it’s hype when the media goes on and on about someone. When it’;s the manager promising a player football, it’s solid. Especially when it’s someone like Klopp.
As for us losing the friendly’s… 3-0 to Napoli is admittedly slightly concerning, especially late on in pre-season. 3 losses and a draw from the last 4 isn’t good BUT as I said before, pre-season isnt about winning games. I would definitely feel better is we didnt get battered by Napoli though. I won’t lie.
The real concern for me isnt any of this shit. It’s the AFCON and Copa America. You might say theya re the same thing but no, they arent. Our defence didnt go anywhere. Fabinho wasnt called up either, yet we’re shipping a lot of goals. So it’s not just the issue of missing Mane, Firmino and Salah.
Those 3 however are the reason I’m most worried about the start of our season. Who knows, maybe they even tire out later on because of not being rested enough here. So, whilst I see that Reus would be fantastic while Mane is resting and recovering, he’s got to go somewhere when Mane gets back too… and Klopp will not be put in this situation.
Nil, know that I am not having a go when I say this me old chum but it’s you who is always getting stuck in here about why we don’t feel more positive etc etc but :
“There isn’t at the moment anything particularly to feel upbeat about.”
WE’RE THE FLIPPING EUROPEAN CHAMPIONS!!!!!!!!!!!
There has never been more reason to be upbeat about football than this kind of thing man, so you need to gain a new perspective on things this summer. I suggest you forget about the transfer market. I did before it even started cause Klopp said we wouldn’t be spending. I briefly got on the Coutinho loan thing, sure but it was only a question. I’m not even slightly bothered that we didnt go for him.
The issues aren’t transfers, they are International competitions. Forget transfers and think of what we just won and how that team might do as Klopp has more and more time to work with them. Also, get yer fantasy football team going, maybe 😉29th July 2019 at 9:00 pm #44103
Mak, I hoping all in all the Reset Button is going to be pressed come Sunday and we kick off the new Season by coming out on Top when playing in the Community Shield.
Whether or not I have been too much into the pre-season friendlies, they’ve certainly not been any fun to watch in majority and certainly not fun at all to lose.
Whether it’s a difference of an opinion and agreeing to disagree, but without the front 3, and Keeper, the team on the pitch at times has been abject.
I desperately wanted a back up Striker. It was never a question to ‘fit him’, it was always about being there either as back up or to rotate. I have already mentioned I don’t have an expectation for the front 3 to play 60 games.
We have stood still in my mind and other teams will have narrowed the gap by strengthening. Man City remain strong. Whatever pieces of the ‘Jigsaw’ we have, Klopp by now should have formulated an alternative front 3 – even if that meant Lallana-OX-Origi. I find Klopp naïve if he thinks Brewster’s an immediate answer.
I see at the moment, not only with me being negative and low spirited, but heads buried in the sand. Van Dijk it has been reported had an argument with Klopp.
The European Cup Champions in my view needs to be pushed aside and we need to hit that RESET BUTTON and think how we will win Silverware and be successful, and in my eyes, that’s what LFC stand for.
P.S. Yes, my Fantasy Team is Ready 🙂30th July 2019 at 12:18 pm #44107OzParticipant46 pts
Going a bit against the grain with some but I don’t get why we can’t fit in enough game time for a quality front man if we managed to get one. We will be playing heaps of games & I’m more than confident our front 3 are going to miss quite a few games between them. As c$ty showed last season it’s all about quality in depth over a full season if you want to win the EPL.
I’m struggling to see how we will better last season if our main rivals buy top quality players to improve & we rely on youngsters improving. Maybe I should have more faith in Klopp but even he admitted it was wrong to think you could win the EPL without spending massive money. I know we have spent a hell of a lot but if c$ty keep doing what they do & spend the only option is to do the same or fall further behind ( by further behind I mean we finished 2nd & IMO will finish further behind c$ty if we don’t buy more quality).30th July 2019 at 1:40 pm #44110
Klopp doesn’t look happy mate. It’s absolutely crazy we are not signing at least two players to help the squad.
It would be typical of us to regress and not push next season because we have made bad decisions31st July 2019 at 8:13 pm #44176
A Win at last for The Reds.31st July 2019 at 8:22 pm #4417731st July 2019 at 9:00 pm #44179
Sean, a much better feeling now mate, and some peace.
I hope we’re Ready for Sunday.
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