30th December 2019 at 8:05 am #57613
9, Agents are not FIFA’s problem, the reason they exist is because the clubs started paying them to get the players they wanted. They only exist in the form they do because clubs are willing to pay them, don’t pay them then they cease to exist in the form that they currently take. The clubs created the monster only they can destroy it…Pagan30th December 2019 at 9:11 am #57614
We’ll have to agree to disagree on that one Pagan.
Whilst I agree with your sentiments Agents won’t go away and Clubs if they want to sign the players they covet will end up paying the Agents even if they end up paying a negotiated fee.
Football is the only entertainments business in the world where the clients don’t pay their own agents that would be a big step in the right direction imo but football has to control the agents which means that FIFA and UEFA have to set up the rules under which Agents can operate which will then mean Agents like Raiola are controlled.30th December 2019 at 10:04 am #57617
9, that’s why I used the phrases in their current form, if the club stops using them to do their dirty work, ie getting round the approach rule, then they then only represent the player, who then has to do the paying.
There’s nothing to stop a club approaching a player, provided they ask permission of the club they currently play for, the parent club can refuse permission, but they should inform the player before the story gets “leaked”
Personally I don’t think you can restrict the amount an agent charges, that’s restriction of business practice, if you put a % of transfer fee on then transfer fees will go up, the only way to control it is as you say to make the person they work for do the paying, however we’re back to square on when the club approaches an agent to persuade them to get the player to move as opposed to the player asking the agent to get him (or her) a move….Pagan30th December 2019 at 11:25 am #57621steveosnakeeyeParticipant208 pts
so Haaland is gone, thought united were favourites for him!30th December 2019 at 11:55 am #57622EditorKeymaster437 pts
We were supposedly after him Steveo but reportedly backed out when it became clear Raoila wanted all sorts of sell on fees with him getting cuts of future transfers. Very pleased we made a stand against that kind of practice.30th December 2019 at 12:17 pm #57623steveosnakeeyeParticipant208 pts
yes indeed Ed, especially that particular agent, he is the worst of a bad bunch, horrible man
fair play to you30th December 2019 at 1:21 pm #57625
I’ve only seen Hallandale againest us but he reminds me a bit lackau Ed?
How much was he?
I think utd were right not to be held to ransom and I don’t tvibk it’s a player they need? They need nimble like janes to play around a good quick fast centre forward?30th December 2019 at 1:46 pm #57628
Pagan, with respect mate Raiola wanted £12m on a £17m transfer sorting that out it could be argued legally is not restriction of trade.
Nobody can convince me that the football authorities couldn’t and shouldn’t get involved now as Agents are completely out of control.30th December 2019 at 1:52 pm #57629EditorKeymaster437 pts
Sean, I haven’t seen enough of him but there are some old quotes from Ole saying he reminded him of Lukaku. His scoring record is brilliant but he could easily be a one season wonder. Would have been worth a gamble at 20mil but glad we backed away everything considered30th December 2019 at 3:10 pm #57630
9, it’s absolutely staggering how much clubs will pay, until they stop doing it it will continue. The authorities can’t even control player wages, let alone agents, who let’s be honest about they don’t really have much control over…..Pagan31st December 2019 at 8:24 am #57643
Two different issues Pagan as I said we’ll have to agree to disagree on the role the football authorities could and should play imo re Agents.
But it’s clearly something under consideration.
“Fifa surrendered governance of agents in 2015, but its president, Gianni Infantino, now says the resulting free-for-all is intolerable. Agents are unlicensed “intermediaries” and can be paid by two or even three parties in a transfer.
In forthright remarks Infantino, who has set up a Fifa working party to examine how the intermediary and transfer systems can be reformed, said: “I am very concerned about the huge amount of money flowing out of the football industry.
“The commissions paid to intermediaries continue to rise while at the same time the money redistributed through the game and spent on training young players is falling. These increasingly larger transactions are often not done in a clean, open manner , and raise a lot of questions about potential misuse of funds. We have to tackle this issue.”
Uefa, which has calculated that more than €3 billion was paid to agents by Europe’s top clubs between 2013 and 2017, is on the working party. The Uefa president, Aleksander Ceferin, voiced his concerns last week and acknowledged clubs’ long-standing complaint that agents are no longer working on behalf of players to negotiate the best salary but are intermediaries who have to be paid by clubs for bringing the players to them. Ceferin said clubs tell him the approach of some agents is: “Look, you will pay me 50 per cent of the transfer or the player goes somewhere else.”
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£3b in agents fees over 5 years, the FIFA and UEFA to investigate, good job the governing bodies have a whiter than white record when it comes to corruption…..Pagan31st December 2019 at 11:23 am #57649
Pagan, should investigations into what may or may not be wrong in Football by Footballs governing bodies stop because of what Blatter,Platinni and one or two others in authority got up too who are no longer in situ because of their misdemeanors?
FIFA and UEFA are rightfully showing concerns re Agents and hopefully something comes of it sooner rather than later.31st December 2019 at 11:47 am #57651MikusParticipant192 pts
I don’t think the everyday fan cares one hoot on how much agents are paid, so long as the player they want gets signed up, they’re happy. Any other walk of life, they’d be uproar. But fear of losing ground to their competitors and tribalism quells such outrage stone dead. All that will probably happen here is a bit of window dressing to make it appear that agents don’t make as much as they currently do, but then the agents will simply increase the fees to their players. As Pagan rightly says, clubs use agents as a back door to get to a player. That culture ain’t going to change because tribalism rules everything.
It’s the same reason very little gets made of managers who get paid off huge amounts when sacked after failure. All the attention is on the immediate future of “yes, but who can we get in now to move up the table again?!” It is in many ways irrational but it is akin to a pleasure seeking activity focussed solely on the next ‘hit’ rather than dwelling on past failures and costs.31st December 2019 at 12:02 pm #5765513th January 2020 at 8:27 pm #60155We’reTheParkLaneParticipant26 pts
I wonder who lost the toss to tell Jose he signed the wrong Fernandes !!!14th January 2020 at 5:42 am #60420threepsParticipant126 pts
Well Spurs do have history on getting their targets mixed up. Wasn’t there a rumor that Redknapp wanted a very young Zaha but spelt it with an S and got Louis Saha instead? Probably rubbish but funny all the same!14th January 2020 at 8:26 am #60497
An 18 month loan makes it a very Spursy transfer so there’s no doubt it was the right Fernandes.😊
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