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Nil-Its all your fault,matey.Lol
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Well regards the title of your thread Mak, Jose doesnt think so 🙂 …
I will be honest I think the advert itself is funny as hell, but I dont believe gambling should be advertised.
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I dont think gambling should be advertised…. then I share a gambling advert…nice one Lucky 🙂
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Aye LD, I think a total black-out of gambling advertising might be too much but it should be limited. I see UK ads quite a bit and it is just all gambling, loans and insurance. All of them are predatory markets.
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It brings out tbe worst.
Shirts put together by exploitation and near slave labour.
Gambling aimed at those least able to afford it._____________________________
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I’d think 18-25 year olds now possibly would perceive all this as the Norm.
A Liverpool Shirt under Adidas circa 1994 was at the RRP of £39.99
I paid £65 over the Summer basically without blinking my eyes thinking for all my Genuine Hard Slog and Hours Put In, if I can’t even live a little, then I may as well not bother at all.
I’ve been around the block enough to suss the world out, a bit. There are so many Fake and Dishonest People out there. I can’t remember the last time I ever bought anything that was MADE IN UK. Or: Made In Japan.
There really used to be of Very Good Quality Products. And that goes for Football Shirts.
I have no Control if they are outsourced elsewhere for cheap labour. Politically, 3 Years Ago This Is One Of The Reasons Why I Voted For This Country to get out of the European Union once and for all, and I’ve never changed my mind.
Where is the ‘Quality Control’? How is It Monitored? What Does This Operation One A Day To Day Basis Looks Like?
Will There Ever Be British Hosiery? I’m not into Socialism, but People At The Very Top Lining Their Pockets – even John Henry and Players EACH WEEK fetching 100-300k Weekly…
A Strand in itself involving Political Debate.
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Bloody hell Mr. Balance, you live in the area that’s economy used to be based on knitting, Leicester was full of factories producing garments and Loughborough manufactured knitting machines that were used the world over. Unfortunately it became cheaper to import rather than manufacture.
As for your shirt doubling in price over the last quarter of a century, look at house prices over the same time frame.
As for Made In Japan (great album) that’s so 70s, production has moved on to India and China now via Taiwan, my guess is African countries will be next….Pagan
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New Balance.
When I was doing my accountancy training in the mid 70s I worked for a large firm of auditors in London. A couple of jobs I did involved household name garment and knitwear companies making well known brand high quality knitwear. Top of the range items that you will have heard of which were sold in stores such as Harrods, Selfridges etc. Now those same items, still top quality are made in China.
Again using low cost labour albeit still top quality. BUT those jobs are no longer in the UK. Whose fault? Everybody and nobody. Football shirts used to be made here too in Yorkshire and the Midlands. Not any more.
Is there an answer? Yes. Dont buy them. But it takes away much needed income from those now making them….Its called globalisation,_____________________________
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Its also called inequality something I feel strongly about.Anyhow we can all look forward to this weekends games!
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Adlab, greatly appreciated on your insight and own life/work experience.
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I worked for a Well Known Sports Retailer in the late 90s as part of my ‘Saturday Job’, and Football Shirts back then were of Decent Good Quality.
It’s so easy to spot the mass churned out rubbish that seems to be mixed in, ala Sports Direct.
My Shirt, I ordered from the Club Shop.
I honestly and wholeheartedly would assert that we can’t dismiss the point of Genuine Quality. I’m talking in examples of Ralph Lauren and Lacoste T Shirts that would hold it’s value from £95 to £110 easily. And because you could tell of the quality and if between a Fake.
There was a well-known Football Culture in the 1980s called The Casuals and Leicester and certain Parts of London were ‘Notorious’ for showing off these Labels.
I am amazed till to day Adidas Samba, and Gazelle are still around. These are the original Trefoil Logo’s. Liverpool had for a good number of years, Adidas.
I see a lot of replicated Nike Air Max 1990 in which that time, you’d pay £100 for a pair. In this day and age, that don’t seem that much of a big deal, but back then, that was genuinely past all your coins and cash put away in your Jar.
I always felt goods manufactured here and China or Japan had a sense of Quality and Pride.
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Mr Pagan, it’s the old ethics debate mate. Wasn’t Primark exposed for mass-produced quality and workers abroad paid, a mere 20p? That’s beyond an insult to one’s sanity and existence.
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Mr. Balance, and that’s the problem, clubs need the 40, 50, 60 £m a season from the kit manufacturers so they can buy and pay the wages of the superstar players and give their fans the success they demand. That money has to come from somewhere, cheap manufacturing costs and expensive retail prices. As for the designer gear you talk about, the quality may be higher but you pay extortionate prices for the embroidered logo….Pagan
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On a point of quality which is usually poor for the price you pay, what you pay for is the Logo or named shirt. I have seen shirts that I would only use as dusters from a quality aspect. The knit or woven quality is not good enough but then again, they do not want it to last more than a season……but wait a minute…now the environmentalist are telling us to wear our clothes longer!!!!! Are the clubs then contributing to our wasteful society?????
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It’s the constant changes to the kit each season Brian by all Clubs there should be a rule implemented that says kits can’t be changed until they’ve been in place for two seasons.
The kids only want to wear the latest kit which makes it very expensive for their parents.
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999, Brian, you could almost live with changing the home shirt one season and the away the next, but three new kits a season is blatantly a rip off. I’ve said before I get full kits (socks, shorts, shirt) for between £12 and £14 a player depending on size. These last at least three seasons, but to be honest in the junior sides after two seasons they’ve usually grown out of them…..Pagan
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Nine/Pagan…OK, I understand that and it is outrageous but I am looking at it from how the costs is derived The fabrics, good or poor are bog standard will cost a fraction of the price and I mean not much. The brand and corporate sponsor costs will be high in comparison, put the two together and it still would not amount a quarter of the true cost in my opinion, therefore a healthy profit for the club at the fans expense. You have a valid point about the many changes and there should be a rule for three seasons without change, after all, I assume sponsors sign for that time at least. The Lacoste etc is a different issue to football clubs but the same points apply. There is no earthly justification in the quality of a shirt like Lacoste to be so expensive, the same, if not better quality can be found in shops, again buying of the logo puts a lot on. They would point out, no doubt that they have world wide sales and Advertising and PR department to drive it, which will cost. Say no more about Walkers crisps now, stopped buying them!!!!!!!
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Brian, when you’re giving football clubs 40-60 £m a season and then paying out on individual sponsorship deals then you have to use the cheapest suitable materials and labour and then charge ridiculous retail prices. All the top brands charge basically the same, almost as if they have a bit of a cartel going on.
Designer gear is all about marketing a brand and then keeping it exclusive by overcharging….Pagan_____________________________
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Well, I agree with you Pagan, all I refer to is….its not right but fans will never change it because most are “hooked” now. I also think the same as the old adage “you get what you pay for” but in this case you pay for the product plus, plus. That is the way of the world now, I certainly cannot change it. I have a lot of Grandchildren would love to buy them kits but it would cost me more than a months pension!!!!!! Maybe I should start a new scheme….”buy Grandad a kit”!!!!! I would still take sponsors name OFF I just want to wear a City Blue shirt as they were years ago
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Some Very Good Points Gents.
I completely agree on the pressure impacted on Parents as Kids and Teens just want the up-to-date shirt.
I know in the past Man United were criticised for producing in one go a lot of choices, but they had kept hold of their 3rd choice kit. Although sparsely used, to my recollection, you would still see it worn by players even after 2 seasons.
I think as they years go by above all, we see in many aspects of life, quality compromised or diminished where there’s a very high demand and a dial-up on productivity to be able to deliver in a short space of time.
There is fulfilment to meet. In my experience, having owned some shirts in the past, the embroidery and overall material lasted longer through everyday wear and tear against a few I come across in the modern day.
I’d still go by sticking with the Club Shop or more Reputable Retailers.
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