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Even the players don’t believe it, decisions are going to VAR, the verdict is given and the ref still cops a load of abuse…..Pagan
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My workmate explained to me this business with the ‘armpit’. We had the game on at Work today on his Phone and we saw Mane’s goal disallowed. The end of the shoulder blade is the ‘cut off’ point. I honestly didn’t know this! Thus: Armpit!
I’m sure a few days ago there was an article from the Guardian about the FA wanting to clear all this up and make it a definitive rule once and for all.
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I thought mane was onside.
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Sean, they’ve gone by the armpit mate. It’s getting ridiculous. There’s too many lines drawn it’s just being more pedantic.
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If anything, it actually looks as though number 29 is playing Mane on.
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I don’t agree with this level of tolerance but if you look at the lines going down Nil Mane is beyond number 29 based on the lines drawn impossible to spot by the human eye but as the rules stand offside.
Such things won’t be sorted until they change the offside rule and build in a bit more tolerance in favour of the attacker but that has to flow down from IFAB and FIFA it’s not a PL decision..
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Nine, it was offside mate.
I came across Kevin Friend at work today and he explained to me why.
It was the side of Mane’s body that was just in front by literally fractions, but that’s how clinical they will be.
Came across really engaging and had a bit of a fun and joke.
He’s all for VAR, and they are going to keep offside in the manner that it is and will continue to use the graph lines etc.⚽️??
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Nil, good to hear buddie always nice when people in football take time for the fans.
I do think they have to build in a bit more of a tolerance to the offside law in support of the attacker but that can’t come from the PL and the FA it has to come from FIFA and IFAB.
Will it?
I’m not holding my breath.? Cheers 9’s
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The best rule they can make on offside is calling offside if only your head or foot is offside. Any other part of your body that is offside is fine.
Realistically who is going to make sure their hip/knee is in a offside position to gain an advantage?
This would clear up offside decisions
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pundits have been saying there should be a third line between the current blue/red lines used, a Grey line, of a determined width, say 2cm, if the other lines encroach on this in anyway then its to tight to call and benefit given to the attacking team, to be fair with this rule many were only upset and really blatant offsides that were missed…
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/50944416
Interesting read, apparently clear and obvious should apply to all incidents VAR is used in….Pagan
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I haven’t actually seen what is supposed to be deemed as clear and obvious.
I don’t get the foundation of this saying. These incidents leading to the decisions made are contentious and thus why VAR is used to investigate.
I am seeing consistency and a pattern which is a plus point. Unfortunately, this will leave one team worse off and in fortune for another team.
The Ethiad one wasn’t particularly good; perhaps this is where the clear and obvious comes in? Maybe I’m wrong.
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Mr Balance, if you substitute “clear and obvious” with “I’m happy with that” or “I got that wrong” when viewed once at real speed, then I think that’s where we need to be…..Pagan
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The best way to sort out the problems relating to offside decisions under VAR is to implement what Souness said part of the body has to be onside.
The most effective way to sort out the offside element of VAR is to change the offside rules in relation to VAR alongside the lines above which would effect more than just the PL.
Whatever comes out of the IFAB meeting in February rightly or wrongly the PL have said no changes to VAR will be implemented this season.
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Although I had no serious objections to VAR at the start, it is clear to me that the whole system has not been thought out correctly.We have introduced a stop/start game which I can only see getting worse if something is not done…now. The game will finish up run by technology and people working at monitors. The art of the game will be lost and an unproven technology takes over. The game is going downhill because nobody is addressing the issues in a positive way
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9, I don’t really think it’s plausible to change the offside law, it really has to be the same from top flight to grass roots, yes a part of the body being onside would be a good idea, but not as a black and white rule, more as a guide, if you make it a rule, then we’re back to the armpit situation we’re in now. The problem is as the BBC article says is it’s being used probably beyond its accuracy……Pagan
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In my opinion it should only be offside if there is daylight between the attacker and defender at the time the pass is made. if the bodies (torsos) line up with no daylight in between and the attacker is through on goal and scores then he anticipated the pass better than the defender.
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Pagan, “it really has to be the same from top flight to grass roots”.
Parks football doesn’t have goal line technology or VAR even the Championship doesn’t have either the ideal of football being the same from top flight to grass roots went out of the window long ago.
Someone has to set the rules for VAR in respect of offside otherwise you’ve got different officials in remote locations deciding how much offside someone is.
Offside is the most accurate of all the VAR decisions too accurate in fact because currently your offside if a minute part of your body crosses the VAR line so greater tolerances have to be agreed and applied wherever VAR is in use.
Souness idea is the best imo if any part of the body is onside then the goal counts.
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9, the law has to be the same top to bottom, I belive the whole of the ball over the whole of the line fits into that category. The way it’s confirmed may be different but the law is the same.
As for the accuracy of VAR, the frame rate is too slow for such small margins and the point at which the ball moves forward is only a best guess. So not the most accurate.
As for the Souness idea, if you set a any part of the body onside, you’ll still get it being measured to the mm. Just because the technology is allegedly accurate enough, doesn’t mean you have to push it to the limit. In real life terms Speed cameras are extremely accurate, but we’re given a bit of leeway, imagine if tickets were handed out if you were 0.01 over the speed limit. Please don’t go down the road of speedo tolerances, as rolling radii of tyres is very accurate nowadays, and speedos always show faster than actual unless you modify your car after the power train…..Pagan
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Pagan, the Souness suggestion could be applied top to bottom and is no more difficult to administer at Park level than the current offside rule.
But I’ll leave it to the experts mate, hopefully something has to happen from next season, though how they get there is another matter but goals being ruled out on millemetres currently isn’t good for football imo.
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