7th October 2019 at 6:52 pm #49731
C67, to be honest I don’t think Ferguson left when he wanted, he left when he knew he had to. Ferguson ruled with a rod of iron, once player power got a foot in the door at Man U his days of ruling by fear were over. You have to credit him for what he achieved and knowing when his time was up…..Pagan7th October 2019 at 9:12 pm #49732
Pep will honour his contract, he has even stated he may ask for an extension but being realistic, if he does move it will be to Italy not France. The French league is not competitive enough and that would not interest him. he will not go to Utd either.
Since he has been in the UK he has lifted the standard of play in the Premier and all the teams now strive to attain a better football standard than previous years. I will not enjoy the day he does go but Managers do move on when they feel they have done enough and being the new City I think they have the replacement all lined up.This season and next for City/Pep7th October 2019 at 11:01 pm #49735
I think these days there are a lot of factors. One of them in which whether there’s a mutual desire for both the Club and a Manager to deliver such length of service.
Ferguson and Wenger were one-offs. It’s highly unlikely this will ever be repeated with the industry being a fast-changing one.
I alluded from my earlier point today there’s a shelf-life for Managers. As far as sustaining Top level, full-marks and my own hat off to both David Silva and Sergio Aguero. 1 or so year short of serving a Decade at Manchester City and still delivering high quality.
I wish for this in Sadio Mane, Mo Salah and Van Dijk. You need continuity and to be able to sustain in being at Top Level.
This is where Manchester United for me have fallen short and are of have already lost sight. in this 6 years, there’s been a lot of change, maybe far too much change. Who is now the longest serving player there? David De Gea?
You have to have a Fulcrum or a Core to build around and add new strands. And you need to allow time and patience too.
A fair Term to give to a Manager is 6 years. You need more than one Transfer Window to build a squad and generate continuity. On the other end of the Spectrum, if you feel you’ve taken the club as far as you can, then you have to pull the plug and admit enough is enough.7th October 2019 at 11:16 pm #49737
LD, cheers for that and honestly it’s a bit shocking to learn that they never went head to head.. I would have bet money that they did but luckily just words this time 😉
It does slightly weaken my position, as Klopp beating Pep from a lower position does obviously sound a lot better. Klopp still beat his predecessor though. No easy task any time.
I guess we’ve got to wait for our answer. I think Klopp could have purchased this summer and also the same for City. Money problems can be worked out to a degree but I feel that both managers refused to push for that extra player. So far it’s showing Klopp in a positive light but that can change and it will change , as the season goes.
I think that looking at our side, we’d mostly feel the loss of Fabinho and Mane. That will surprise the tits off most here but in a short enough absence, we’d have cover for Van Dijk. we’d also have ok cover for Salah and Firmino, although an extended time out would be a disaster.
We have no cover for Fabinho or mane though. I say Mane because he’s almost always working to a high level. He’s always creating problems for the oppositions defence. I don’t get the same feeling from Salah, who gets marked out of the game too often. That might sound silly, given his ability to destroy defences but if you watched every game,. you’d know.
Ultimately, it might just be the squads capability to deal with bad luck that gets either team over the line though. I think every man and their dog would have considered Man City to have the superior squad but we have a tendency to focus on the attacks a little too much… and citys poor strength in depth at the back is being cruelly punished, currently.
Maybe soon it’ll be Liverpool lack of cover in the areas I’ve said… anyway meh bed time.8th October 2019 at 3:39 pm #497828th October 2019 at 3:47 pm #49784
Mac….a good read that I think Pep just thought he could get that bit more out of his defensive players but it has not worked out. The current thinking is to employ Walker there, I think that would be the biggest disaster of all, he does not read a game well as a CB in the Pep mould. We have some problems that have been hoisted on to us, these things happen and as you say it could happen to others as well. City will improve, I feel sure about that. Liverpool are going very well and are in prime spot again but still a way to go yet8th October 2019 at 7:12 pm #49798
Thanks Brian.8th October 2019 at 9:25 pm #498058th October 2019 at 9:55 pm #49809
Brian, I don’t have as good an opinion of Walker as most I think. He doesn’t seem to be a very smart guy. i think you’ve got to be an intelligent person to do well at CB but you know what moving him into that position does? It gets Fernandinho back where he can be effective. I think it’s worth the trade-off because a lot less is getting near that back line with him there.
As for Liverpool if they lost Fabinho. It might be a similar situation. You want that dedicated player available in that role. I do wonder though if Matip might be the best choice to cover for Fabinho. He’s so good on the ball and I wonder if that’s part of the reason as to why Gomez isn’t in the team. That isn’t to say that Gomez is bad on the ball. For a CB, he’s fantastic on it but Matip for me is good enough to be a midfielder. We tend to lack penetration from midfield but then we have our entire defence, who are all ball players. Van Dijk’s passing was a game changer for us. The 2 lads out wide, well… everyone knows but Matip who just got PFA Player of the Month, he will actually charge with the ball, right at the opposition. The guy is fearless.
BTW, props to the PFA for actually recognizing a lower tier Liverpool player for POTM. The lower profile lads often get overlooked, so I was very pleasantly surprised to see him awarded it.
Totally deserved in my mind. He almost single-handedly kept Chelsea at bay. That was a 9/10 performance (I don’t give 10s).
Brian, i think you spoke about Kompany on the other page. I will wade into that since this already touched on it previously. I don’t think it’s Kompany as such that is missed but a replacement. Obviously you want someone who can play most games, to his level (or as close as you can get)… Ultimately you just want to avoid taking potentially your star performer out of his specialised role in order to accommodate an injury. It’s almost like getting 2 injuries then because you take a guy who’s one of the best around in his role… and you put him into a square hole.
I don’t really see Pep making many mistakes but this for me is one. He’ll get it right tho, unfortunately.9th October 2019 at 10:26 am #49827
Mac…well we agree about Walker, I hope Pep puts Garcia in but I doubt it. You are also right about Fernandinho, he is doing a job and no more when he should be used for what he does best. Peps choices are limited but he may need to change his tactics until we are in a stronger personnel position. Kompany..again your thinking right but I was referring more to the steady comments on we were missing him. We are missing a player like him, but Kompany, as we knew him, is in the past. I am no longer convinced that Stones will make it….too many injuries, we need stability at the back.10th October 2019 at 4:22 pm #49850
Brian, i know the feeling. A year ago I wanted Liverpool to sell at least one of Lovren or Matip because they are so injury prone. Matip has been incredible in the time since, getting a long stretch in with minimal interruptions. Lovren is the one I’d swap out and the player you get in doesn’t have to be amazing, they just have to be there when called upon. I think we had Fabinho in at CB at some stage last season (maybe only 1-2 games). I worried about only having 4 CB’s but to only have 3 is just asking for it.10th October 2019 at 4:35 pm #49851
Just a gentle reminder.
30 games to go. Dont count chickens.
Who is the best manager? That can only be judged by titles.
SAF is probably number 1.
Pep or Klopp?
There is no question imo.Apart from last years CL and you have to admit with some fortune along the way, remind me what Klopp has won?10th October 2019 at 5:02 pm #49852
Adlab with his anti Liverpool nonsense again yawn….10th October 2019 at 5:31 pm #49854
sean the sailorParticipant252 pts
What fortune adlab lol?
Beat Bayern in Munich? Beating Barca after been 3-0 down?
City were quite fortunate kompany wasn’t send off at the ethiad againest Liverpool
At 0/0. Biggest decision of the season and city got it
He’s one the super cup. A trophy UEFA recognize. That’s two
3 European cup finals
Consecutive champions league qualification for the 1st time in 8 seasons
Rebuild the whole squad for 120m net. We were told we sold our best player but we are a better team without him.
You must be on a wind up mate 😂
Pep is the best manager in the world in my opinion. Klopp has given fans hope again. Look at were we were before he came.
Not sure why I’m bothering as you never answer. You throw out silly statements then hide for a few days 😂10th October 2019 at 5:51 pm #49856
Adlab, you’re taking it out on the wrong people.
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