15th May 2019 at 10:02 am #40926
999, what are you afraid of? You really don’t need to tell grown men not to speak their mind. Football is more that what happens on the pitch. That’s why Barcelona say “more than a club” and Liverpool say “YNWA”. Where money come from matter. How fans act matter. How players conduct themselves matter. To downplay it is plain stupid. I train my own son’s team. We try to teach the kids about winning and losing with respect. That’s important. It doesn’t help when City players who are idolized by kids sing a rotten song like that and grown men defend it or downplay it.15th May 2019 at 10:09 am #40929
Hightown hopeParticipant147 pts15th May 2019 at 10:41 am #40930
as far as the “victim” stuff being used, i can see why it can and has been used with Hillsborough in mind but for a lot of fans that is real history that they know little about due to their age (unless a pool supporter) i think in recent years the “victim” line being used refers to the perceived liverpool supporter Psyche…the slip by Gerrard, the disaloowed goal, the red not given on Salah and so on and the fans reactions to all of these things over many years that make it seem to the outsider they are always the victim of a dodgy decision that has meant they have not won when they could/should have…..
all gets a bit confused i think….15th May 2019 at 11:01 am #40933
sean the sailorParticipant147 pts
Stevo the victim
Line is totally related to hillsborough mate. There no other way of dressing it up
Ye some young fans might not understand but that’s what it refers to.15th May 2019 at 11:19 am #40939
fair enough mate and im sure you are correct and it is (mostly)
but i for one could see it being used and not meaning that….
none of that should go on and its the same for united with Munich and what not
as i said though im fairly ignorant of many of the finer points of these things….maybe many others are too…15th May 2019 at 12:32 pm #40941
They may have more money at their club than anyone else but they have no class what so ever, I for one do not respect anything about them.15th May 2019 at 1:28 pm #40945
although what city players did was wrong and they should know and behave better it was done on a plane in “private” until the video came out (social media has much to answer for in general)….im sure half the players didnt know the meaning (real meaning) but they could have done as equally….
just seems to me to suddenly hate them over this and no longer like/respect and bahve this way after it is an over reaction….15th May 2019 at 2:06 pm #40946
They were either stupid, ignorant or naive, probably a combination of all three.15th May 2019 at 2:11 pm #40947
totally agree mate
i agree its wrong and shouldnt have happened (even in “private”)
but lets be honest, we have ALL sung songs in “that” moment of joy and achievment within football that is wrong…i remember Jack Wilshere on a bus giving the Spuds shit!
no one is perfect i just think the level of reaction is over the top IMHO
had they stood in front of camera and sang or were derogatory about you guys then thats different….
maybe its just me and not being connected with either club playing devils advocate…15th May 2019 at 2:27 pm #40948
nine nine nineModerator545 pts
Just to clarify here’s my post to Sean yesterday which clearly shows I wasn’t defending or condoning anything.
“Sean, I think things like this are probably best left off here.
I don’t condone what the City players were singing but I honestly don’t think it was about Sean Cox or that anyone would sink that low.
There’s not a lot of love lost between both Club’s given what happened last season but this is a step too far imo despite perhaps the understandable delight in securing the title and a few too many beers an apology and withdrawal would be good from City.”
My subsequent post was with my Moderators hat on with the best of intentions with the Ed not around just to try to keep things from getting out of hand on here which clearly wasn’t recieved very well. No further comments from me on this. Cheers 99915th May 2019 at 3:01 pm #40949
Hightown hopeParticipant147 pts
I just think it’s a real shame. I think there was respect between the club’s. ..there certainly was between the managers and I think the vast majority of Liverpool fans have quite easily given City credit for being a fantastic football team.
If there was film of Liverpool players singing a song about Munich, most Liverpool fans would utterly condemn it. Those that didn’t would be the low life brainless scum that every club’s fan base have. I actually would have been far less shocked by this if it had been fans.
I think threeps i’s right…stupidity, ignorance or naivety. But that doesn’t mean they shouldn’t be called out for it15th May 2019 at 3:22 pm #40950
I said yesterday and having seen the bit of video not very grown up and bad taste. Dont like such things.
The reporting though is though the City players themselves did something wrong.
You would never blame the players for Hillsborough, Hysel?, or attacking the City coach.
We have had plenty of rhetoric of the past few weeks from current and ex Liverpool players about City players and games. I think there was an element of up yours stupid as it is.
They need, as others, to learn that there is always an arse with a phone wherever you are.
15th May 2019 at 3:33 pm #40952
- This reply was modified 1 week, 2 days ago by Adlab.
Adlab, I don’t understand your post. It was the City players that did this, not some fans. So whilst you may say there’s always an arse with a phone the biggest arses where the ones being filmed.
And please leave Hillsborough, or for that matter Heysel, out of an argument or comparison. You might not mean any harm but sometimes things can be easily misunderstood on the net and these are very sensitive issues to us LFC fans.15th May 2019 at 3:57 pm #4095315th May 2019 at 4:00 pm #40954
PS TO Clarify…City players did not batter anybody is what I meant.
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