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Really good point banjo about the need for a return of the old Combination League it would give a club’s best prospects a chance to stay at the club and play against men rather than youth players.
Realistically all of the top clubs are struggling to get Academy players through and playing regularly. United have been the very best at doing it all the way back to Sir Matt and the Busby Babes who were tragically wiped out in the Munich Air Crash.
I like what Poch is doing at Spurs bringing through both up and coming young players and some of their own best young prospects Spurs have had to do things differently in order to get themselves up their in the top 4 regularly the tough part though is turning a regular top 4 place into being regular title challengers and then Champions.
Spurs are fortunate though to have Daniel Levy running them because he’s a Spurs fan as well as a part owner.
Liverpool were in a mess when FSG bought them it’s easy to blame them when things don’t quite work out which is often a constant on Liverpool club forums but FSG are investors first and foremost and FSG have never hidden that and to date they’ve not taken a penny out of the club and have provided the club with a £100m plus loan to build the new stand.
Klopp is highly personable which tends to keep the criticism from the media off of his shoulders and his offensive football has been a joy to watch but he does seem to have a defensive blind spot with his strategy of you score three and we’ll score four which he’s carried over from his Dortmund days.
There’s been a lot money spent by Klopp on offensive players in the last two Summer windows over £100m on Mane, Ox and Salah but almost nothing has been spent on the defence which has been a Liverpool problem all the way back to Brendan Rodgers.
I think it will be tough for all the main protagonists to keep up with City now they have a squad almost without weakness and they are cash rich and prepared to spend further to get them where they want to be and United too are cash rich and prepared to spend it to get them to where they want to be however none of the other chasing club’s are in the same position even Chelsea who now have to sell to buy and and try to bring through their own.
Going forwards bringing through your own and buying up and coming players will become even more important for all of the chasing club’s now chasing City bar maybe United.
From a Chelsea perspective Courtois is one of the best keepers in the world but cost circa £7m and Christensen has been at the club since he was 16 and is now establishing himself as a first team regular and both Cahill and Azpiluqueta were £7m bargain signings.
For Chelsea to continue to prosper and compete with the Manchester club’s there will have to be more of both and hopefully both Tammy Abraham and Rubens Loftus Cheek will come back to the club in the Summer and begin to establish themselves just as Christensen is doing now but it’s not easy with the a revolving door policy on Managers and where competing and winning trophies is the key objective handed down to the Manager from the Board.
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Just a point on the Ownership and Investment. When it has come to genuine grievance of Fenway, I’ve never seen any comment made by an Man United or a Man City supporter.
Roman Abramovic (what was it, 2003?)
No comment thrown when Chelsea Managers are sacked almost yearly. 14 or so trophies they’ve scooped and they’ve had their enjoyment. Let’s not kid ourselves. I’ve every right to voice an opinion on the owners I don’t care, because bar a League Cup in 2012, there’s nothing to show since 2006 and that is not good enough for Liverpool Football Club.
Why can’t people sincerely on here for instance champion or harness that in their veins? This is THE second most successful club only one trophy behind Manchester United.
I have never in my life had anything thrown from either of the Manchester clubs on voicing a grievance on ownership matters and a testament to them as I feel as though at least they know where I am coming from.
What ambition do Fenway have in terms of trophies that’s my question and a sincerely and blood and breathe valid one.
We need to win trophies and Liverpool should win trophies, otherwise what is the point?
Shall I just participate on this forum to ‘accept’ what I don’t like to read daily, that we will just won’t win anything for 5,10,15,20 years?
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Nil, it’s getting so I dare not make a comment on here in respect of anything to do with Liverpool for fear of upsetting you there are a number of posts on this thread that pre date my post from several posters that say similar to me and I wasn’t referencing you I specifically talked about reactions from Liverpool fans on Liverpool forums to FSG when things don’t go quite as swimmingly as was hoped.
Tbh Liverpool fans are not alone in this when things are going array at United it’s often deemed the Glazer’s fault and when things have gone wrong at Chelsea it’s been Michael Emenalo’s fault although he’s gone now so us Chelsea fans will have to find another scapegoat. So all in all it’s probably ” a football fan” issue rather than a specific to any club.
“No comment thrown when Chelsea Manager’s are sacked” is an interesting statement because I would say it’s the reverse and there’s plenty of comment when a Chelsea Manager falls both on the forums inc the Chelsea forums and all over the media most to all of which is critical of Chelsea and in the main rightly so.
Unfortunately what was achieved in the past has nothing to do with the here and now otherwise given that Chelsea have won 2 PL titles in the past three seasons everyone would be chasing Chelsea now and not City.
Nobody and least of all me has suggested that Liverpool won’t win anything for another 5,10,15 or 20 years indeed I am on record as saying that Liverpool are very close to having a title challenging team currently and will have if they make a couple of the right signings and Klopp gets his head around the defensive side of Liverpool’s game.
I suspect Fenway’s ambition is to make Liverpool into a significantly more valuable asset through the development of the ground and regularly competing in the Champions League and that although they would understandably welcome any trophies won because it would add to Liverpool’s value the first two ambitions are currently the most important ones to them.
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Nil… what genuine grievance about Fenway? They don’t coach that defense you’ve got and that is where Pool’s biggest problem lays. If it’s simply because they won’t give Klopp half a billion quid to spend like the Big 3 Money Clubs then you’re going to be sulking a long bloody time mate, and for the sake of your own mental health, I would suggest you let it go because it isn’t going to change. AS Goldie says, Fenway just wants to increase their investment without spending more than necessary, end of story.
As for you Goldie, so you’ve picked up 4 or 5 bargins with billion quid you lot have spent since Moscow took over, I’m sure the list of “big-buys” far outstrips the “bargain-hunters” list. You need to remember pal, no footy fan is ever going to forget the role your club played in the introduction/development of “sugar-daddys” in football…. 🙂
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banjo, just for the sake of accuracy Chelsea’s “net” spend on transfers in the Abramovich era according to reports is £806m (but what’s circa £200m between friends.?)
But £806m is still a ridiculous sum of money and I have never denied that Abramovich’s generosity elevated Chelsea to the top table and that was the major factor behind the PL titles won as well as the Champions League win and of course I’m well aware that it sticks in the craw of most rival fans, but City and United apart ironically the majority of the those rival fans critical of Abramovich’s generousity to Chelsea would gladly accept the same generousity from a rich owner if they could get it and it elevated their club to the top table as it did Chelsea.
What I said in my post above was.
“Going forwards bringing through your own and buying up and coming players will become even more important for all of the chasing club’s now chasing City bar maybe United.
From a Chelsea perspective Courtois is one of the best keepers in the world but cost circa £7m and Christensen has been at the club since he was 16 and is now establishing himself as a first team regular and both Cahill and Azpiluqueta were £7m bargain signings.”“For Chelsea to continue to prosper and compete with the Manchester club’s there will have to be more of both and hopefully both Tammy Abraham and Rubens Loftus Cheek will come back to the club in the Summer and begin to establish themselves just as Christensen is doing now but it’s not easy with the a revolving door policy on Managers and where competing and winning trophies is the key objective handed down to the Manager from the Board.”
The key two words above banjo were “going forwards” the days of Abramovich bankrolling big transfers are over at Chelsea because as a club Chelsea have always looked to fully adhere to UEFA’s FFP rules and even without them Roman quite understandably won’t continue to spend his own money on transfers which is why as I said above bringing through young players and finding the odd bargain will be as important to Chelsea going forwards as it will be to everyone else bar probably the Manchester club’s and Chelsea will need to find more Azpiluqueta’s,Cahill’s and Courtois’s and bring through more young players like Christensen all of whom played against Liverpool on Saturday if they are going to continue competing with the Manchester club’s going forwards.
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I know Goldie, I know, like you say, what’s 200m between friends (apart from the value of your subs bench! 🙂 ). Kinda ironic though, you have to admit, when even Chelsea have to tighten the gold-plated Gucci belt. Unfortunately, I reckon City are going to walk it for a few years now due to the size of their checkbook and the employment of the ultimate “Championship Manager”, but I suppose that’s better than those cockwombles down the road from them. Nil’s head might explode in the meantime, but you can’t make an omelette without breaking eggs I suppose.
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banjo, I said the same a few weeks back mate about City potentially dominating the PL for a period now given the quality of their current squad their seeming ability to continue to spend big and having Pep as Manager assuming he extends his contract which seems likely. Cheers 999
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Yeap, we’re going back to those years when if you finished above YooUtd you’d be Champions, but now it’s a case of finishing above City to be Champions…
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I don’t particularly have a problem in principle with clubs having investors. This whole thing actually sort of started with Blackburn, but that was more ‘in-house’.
United and the Glazers took it to another level back in the early 00s.
We know all the rest. It’s when I’m told with ours we’re not going to get anywhere and win trophies. The reality is, there’s no point me busting a blood vessel on here getting all upset, but Fenway won’t change and we need new owners. Until that doesn’t happen, we’re stuck with what we got.
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banjo, seems like it mate but I wouldn’t rule United out of winning a PL title soon Mourinho has never not won a League title at all of the major club’s he’s managed and if United finish behind City this season which currently seems likely and it might be by a considerable points difference I can see Jose blowing £200m in the Summer window.
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Nil, let’s stop all this nonsense there is not a post from me or anyone else on here that has told you Liverpool “are not going to get anywhere or win trophies” as you are trying to claim..
As banjo and I have just been discussing there is every chance that this City side could dominate the PL for a period given the strength of the current squad they have, the financial ability they seem to have and if Pep extends his contract as seems likely.If that gives you a problem that’s a shame but it also gives everyone else a problem too!
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I’ll say it!! 🙂
Pool might win a cup or two but they’ll never win the Prem with Herr Brenda in charge! It’s got nothing to do with Fenway, Herr Brenda just doesn’t know how to defend.
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Nine havent United have blown more than that kind of money in the past couple of seasons and are still playing pretty average football. I’m beginning to wonder whether mourinhos style of football is numbered? People want to be entertained as well as win things. Also I think it’s fair to say 99% of fans would jump at the chance of their club receiving a massive cash investment including Spurs. You won’t find a bigger bunch of hypocrites than football fans in general imo.
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I also have to agree Klopp defensively appears to be a bit of an amateur. And that is not Fenways fault really.
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Big J, very true mate, we’d all be loving it if our clubs were in your Jimmy Choos, rather than our Clarks Bargain Bucket!! But along with the trophies, snide comments are to be expected (I reckon you’ll all cope though!).
Didn’t realize Maureen has spunked more than Pepe, bit of a waste if so…..
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How can United fans moan about City or PSG,or any other team spending big bucks when we have spent nearly if not more!.Everybody seems to have “forgotten” the likes of;Darmian-£16m,Blind=£16.5m,Rojo=£18m,Fellaini=£27.5m,Mata-£37.5m,Lindelof-£32m,Pogba-£89m,Martial-£56m,Lukaku-£75m,Mikhi-£40m,Herrera-£36,5m,Depay-£26.5m?!.Not including “cheap” players like Ibra on a Bosman but costing £300k p/w,Bastian costing “only” £5m but again on massive wages of circa £300k p/w.And despite all that money,we are still left with only 2 world-class players in DDG and PP,but a 1 man-team on the pitch,without Pogba we create nothing,where so-called big-game-players Mata and Mkihi go missing completely!
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Nil-In the EPL mate there is a chance City will dominate for the next few years but,there is a chance,a very-big one,that a Leicester City will do it again! Rest assured of it pal!
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Jim, there definitely seem to be some rumblings from the United fans about the quality of the football being served up and Mourinho is in a tough place at the moment given how well his “noisy neighbours” are playing under Pep. I still think Mourinho will eventually get it right and that United are the biggest threat to City going forwards.
Chelsea and City had to play catch up with United when their new owners took over and despite the criticism of the money they’ve both spent I think it had a positive effect on the PL and had Abramovich and Sheikh Mansour not come along United would have turned the PL into a one horse race much like the SPL.
I understand the envy from opposition fans towards both Chelsea and City but as you rightly say we’re those opposition fans offered the same opportunity of rich owners taking over their club 99% of them would want the same for their clubs, which is borne out by Chucky’s honest response and what the majority say on the Liverpool site elsewhere.
The problem now though is that the level of investment that Abramovich and Sheikh Mansour put into their respective club’s back then will be very hard to repeat under the current FFP rules which the new President of UEFA is seemingly looking to beef up further. Cheers 999
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Goldie… UEFA are going to “beef” up the non-existing and completely ignored FFP rules? Having a giraffe mate, April 1st isn’t for months!!
Going back to the snide/jealous comments, of course the have-nots are jealous of the haves, only to be expected, and the only thing we have is banter!! 🙂
And no, “Leicester” isn’t going to happen again.
I’ll say it now if a club other than YooUtd, City or Chelski win the League in the next 10/15 years I’ll be amazed and the Mars Bars will be on me.
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Sorry Banjo,not with you there pal.Anything is possible,like the overpaid girls of any team could easy be “bored” of anything,and decide not to turn=up for the games,thus allowing a team not expected to win the title,but motivated,go all the way!
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