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Generally there’s a wave of inflation on player fees; more than their true worth on some and something like 2 thirds. Gakpo??? Nunez I personally have zero knowledge, but in the past or our record otherwise suggest that our signings under Klopp have worked out.
Whether we’ve got it wrong, or these players need time, or need our best 11 maximizing to our strength and potential could be the reasoning……
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Gakpo has played 5 games and actually played very well in the Bobby role today. Problem is he has come into a shit team at the minute and we creating nothing for him
Nunez had ten goals in about 20 starts. Let’s give them another while before we write them off
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I think everything has been said that can be said about us. Every player except for Alisson and thisgo are probs out of form. I can’t see any changing anytime soon But hope we see changes in the summer and we go again
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The question you have to ask though nil – when the club were developing under Klopp in those first 3 years – would they have spent that fee on Nunez? Our successful signings in those early years mainly had premier league experience: Salah, ManĂ©, Jota, Van Dijk, Robertson, Wijnaldum. If you are bringing in players without the league experience you need to be very sure about them. In my opinion I think we started throwing caution to the wind on our signings.
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Mikus, no we wouldn’t have. I think PPT makes a very valid point on our owners largely milking Klopp for his ability to coach and develop players. Look what he turned Sadio and Wijnaldum into.
Unfortunately admittedly, I can’t fully buy into Gazpo and Nunez joining a rubbish team. Klopp himself inherited a rubbish team but he got so much passion out of that team; you only have go back as 2016 when we played Dortmund in the semis of the Europa League.
The answer’s starring at us in the face in not signing a Top Top central midfielder to accompany Nunez and a Center Half.
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As I say nil, I think it’s the classic case of a club reaching the top and then forgetting the methods that got them there.
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Not sure about Gakpo as yet. Also not sure why he was signed. Do Liverpool actually need a player of his type? If all injured players were fit would he get in the team? IMO no he wouldn’t?
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If Liverpool spent the Nunes and Gakpo money on Declan Rice and Caicedo, they then would be a much better place.
Not sure which midfielders they can get to improve their side besides from Bellingham.
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I just think we’re possibly in the realms of an identity loss. Why do the individuals too in Henderson and Fabinho not start matches like they used to.
Always been in admiration of Man City’s midfielder in Rodri. What a tireless player; so driven and protects his back 4.
There’s a lot of years that have passed. Players and Manager too will age and that will catch up with them. We’re in that point of time and experience of depreciation and essentially something we’ll have to cope and deal with.
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Sean again you are looking at Nunez in isolation. Yes he has scored a few but in a team that is failing. It wouldn’t matter if his goal tally was up there with Haaland if the team is still losing and in 9th place.
You keep mentioning Thiago as our best performer and yes he is but it’s in a flawed system. So what does it matter if hes the best? And if he is one of the reasons it’s flawed then despite playing better he is still a problem. Not necessarily meaning he should be dropped same with Nunez but something needs to change and for too long it hasn’t.
Similar to utd last year where some asked where they would be without Ronaldo and his goals. I argued better off. It doesn’t matter how good individual performances are if the team fails as a result.
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But what else do you want thisgo to do threeps? He’s doing his job in the system. Winning tackles, moving the ball, making recoveries, pressing well. I’m talking about players in form as the rest of the team are not. So it’s the people around thisgo in the system team that are the issue in my opinion.
Nunez hasn’t played recently. We have gakpo as nine playing like bobby does. Dropping in, holding the ball up, looking for passes behind and we look much worse . So it’s a change in the system back to what we have seen for years but with different personal and it’s still terrible
You have pointed the finger at nunez all season when we have much bigger issues then him. We are a worse team without him at the moment. Much less of a threat going forward.
We are not playing bad because of two players who afew risky contributing to the team. Playing as team player in a poor side
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Ye we all know the midfield needed to change for a few years threeps but you argued it didn’t need to be touched… we have now left it far to long when this should have been addressed years ago.
The flawed system has also improved in the last few weeks with more legs in there.
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Again Sean you are talking about individuals and completely missing my point. I am not asking Thiago to do anything more, I asking the team to do more either with him in or not. And no I’ve not pointed the finger at Nunez but at as his signing and integration in the system. Has it worked? Think it obvious that it hasn’t.
I’ve never said to not touch the midfield. I’ve said I don’t want the high intensity system that brought us success to change but it has. Playing Thiago and Nunez affect that no matter what they do on an individual level and as a team we are worse. They can be accommodated but this season everything Klopp has tried has failed on a consistent level. I’ve said many times before you can play Thiago no problem but you need one or even two athletic players around him. For Nunez you lose the press of the DM and link up play that Bobby provided so that changes the dynamics of a pressing team completely.
Has Gakpo been signed to play the Bobby role? If so where does that leave Nunez? On the left behind both Diaz and Jota?
How do you see us lining up assuming everyone is fit? I’ve no idea hence why I think we’ve bought poorly.
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I have a theory about transfers these days… and I think it could apply to Pool, along with quite a few other clubs… and that is one eye is on a combination of FFP rules rather than the team, with the majority of clubs thinking about re-sell/bookeeping value rather than the effect of the team.. clubs buying players that they hope will imprive the 1st 11 but ultimtely not damaging the books too much if they don’t.
I don’t think Gapko was a player Pool really needed, not with a fully fit squad, but the “numbers” suggested if it didn’t work out, the damge to the “books” will be minimal.. unfortuantely this also means Pool can’t spend too much in an area (just using them as an example) that would have benifited them more as a team, not a balance sheet…
It’s the same with us Spud, Bissuma and Spence for example, two players we didn’t really need in my opinion (especially when there are other gapping holes in our squad), but if they turn out to be inspired, then great, if not, we’re unlikely to loss any cash on them.
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No I don’t think I’m missing the point theeeps. I’m talking about the system. Thiago is part of the system doing his job as seen with Keita and Bajetic. That’s the system working. My point was that the majority of players are out of form. That hinders the system but Thiago has being very good this season. Do you get that?
Nunez had hardly played recently and we look much less of a threat going forward.
Salah is 31, bobby is getting on . We have needed more then 3 forward players for a while. We have great options now. Players who can play multiple positions up front. We don’t need to touch our forward line for years. Someone will go in the summer. I think it’s a gray thing as for years we heard we didn’t need any back up forward players then jota came along and fitted in nicely.
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Also I go on record now lol and say nunez will be a huge success and integrate into a proper successful team next season.
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I see Sporting have done the “dirty”… (and yes, the Toffee’s are laughing about it, I’m sure!)
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I’m trying to figure it out from a finance point of view Chucks to your theory and I sort of understand if FSG have granted a budget to the club for a particular financial year to spend.
From a pitch point of view, we needed a player like Mane. For me that would have been Allan Saint-Maximin on the left wing who is strong, powerful and a dribbler like Mane.
Nunez has attributes, but what we need the most is not being delivered, i.e. goals. Salah’s miss yesterday epitomized our drop in form and confidence levels. We can’t get as many goals as we used to and turn matches around because of bad form, loss of belief and confidence. We’re poor.
Signings in general should add something, but historically, Liverpool are equally known to make disaster signings, bad signings, and at best average signings. Maybe these signings we have could be afforded some sort of an excuse of not been integrated in a fully-fledged Liverpool team that would have Jota, Firmino, Diaz, Van Dijk. But then who do you rate in our midfield besides Tiago? We need 2 new midfielders; top dollar signings who will hit the ground running for us.
If we secure investment externally soon, then maybe our fortunes could be turned.
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Don’t quite understand it myself 🙂 , Nil, just thinking that the financial/FFP part of transfers are seemingly becoming even more important than what the player himself would actually bring to the table.
One I don’t get, and hopefully one of the smart bunnies on here can shed some light, is how a “sale” is worked out with regards to FFP…
I mean, I get the point of an 80 million player on a 8 year contract counts as 10 million per year… regardless of payment terms agreed with the selling club.
But what happens to the FFP balance if you sell a player for 80 million? How does that work?
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Banjo, FFP just restricts spending to a degree but only in terms of investment from owners and that is rare anyway.
For most clubs it is about what the club has on the books and it comes down to whether a player is A) a good fit who improves squad, and B) is within budget and affordable. If the player don’t tick both those boxes he ain’t a good buy and it’s not related to FFP unless there are owners willing to invest money that FFP is preventing.
Most owners use FFP as an excuse for zero investment.
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