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  • #178191
    Brian blue
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    PS…as a point deduction…it artificially creates a two league system within one, the very thing that is being complained about

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    #178195
    Chucky McChuckfaceChucky McChuckface
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    15 point deduction for the big six would certainly give them all something to play for, and the other 14 teams a real decent shout of a combination of a “title” or CL footy… I doubt any of them are in real danger of being relegated, and quite frankly, if we’re going to hide behind the idea of not penalizing clubs “because the fans didn’t do it”, you might as well rip up the rule book.

    We all know fining them doesn’t really mean a sodding thing, does it? And all 6 deserve something.

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    #178200
    Nike19Nike19
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    99 % with you Chucks.

    I know though from lived experience, once Liverpool are in a path of regression and not qualifying for lucrative competitions, our Owners won’t be encouraged to invest into us in big money signings. We’d have to cut our cloth accordingly, buying the ‘mid range’ then developing them.

    We’ve been down that road before, so nothing new.

    Would be very intriguing if there was a 15-20 deduction.

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    #178205
    Brian blue
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    Nil. that is exactly what will happen……why would an owner invest next season if at the same time he is penalised.Having 6 teams at the bottom of the league at the start on -15pts is not the solution, it will make matters worse. They will be thinking….OK. write next season off now, no investment and let us look at it for the following season. The clubs that will eventually do well for the season will win something, move into Europe….but….will they be welcome….they will still be clubs run on lower investment and then face the return of the 6. This, of course is far from ideal as well but the game to day is all about investment, if it is not attractive to do so then any investor will not enter the market. the EPL is still an attractive but it has to be managed carefully, we have to wait and see how well this will be done. I am not confident a satisfactory solution can be found at this time unless we get past the punishment agenda .Get it sorted, attract more investors and have a big10 rather than 6. then it be be competitive but not if punative punishment are involved, it just makes owners think, there has to be a better solution all over again. No winners only losers to this dilemma

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    #178208
    Brian blue
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    Nil….as a PS…..there are two ways of looking at this
    1. As an Investor
    2 As a fan

    The two do not mix well, the nearest we have is Chelsea and City who are wealthy enough not to bother as much but the majority of Investors will want and demand returns. The only “rights” a fan is that to take his support somewhere else. However, I do strongly believe a Supporters voice should be acknowledged, how this is done depends very much on the Club structure, it is unlikely we will see a fans run club. They have neither the experience or investment required to do so. I have yet to hear any plan for fans to acquire an investment or definitive say in a EPL side let alone top 6

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    #178210
    Chucky McChuckfaceChucky McChuckface
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    Double B… what a load of tosh, cyber chum! We’re facing a league, with some minor exceptions where you can pretty much guess within a couple of spots where most clubs will finish, and it will be like this for the foreseeable future. Money City? Highly unlikely to finish outside Top 2. YooUtd and Liverpool? Highly unlikely to finish outside Top3 for the foreseeable future (Liverpool having a shitty year because of injuries!), Chelsea? Most likely 4th with the best of the rest chance of cracking Top 3. Spuds and Goonies, 5th & 6th with one eye looking over their shoulder and Leicester and Everton who are most likely to finish 7th&8th, West Ham next, going to have their best players cherry-picked this summer… you talk about investment from the “big-clubs” (or lack-off), who’s going to want to invest in the rest?

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    #178212
    nine nine nine
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    A 15 points deduction I very much doubt will be accepted by any of the 6 and I suspect it would be vigorously defended by the Lawyers of all Clubs and the only beneficiaries will be the Lawyers.

    It would also cause even more of a divide between the 6 and the remaining 14 when they all need to be coming together now.

    What happened should never have happened but it was all dead and buried in less than 48 hours.

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    #178216
    nine nine nine
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    Chucky, that’s the same situation in all the major Leagues buddie but these things don’t last forever AC Milan looked untouchable in Italy it took Liverpool 30 years to win another title , United dominated the PL for a decade they’re still trying to win their first title since SAF. Football is cyclical I think next season the PL will be more competitive.

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    #178219
    Mikus
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    The big clubs are still ultimately in the hands of the managers they can attract. City haven’t really dominated until Guardiola came in. Liverpool didn’t win any big trophies in recent years until Klopp came in. Man Utd, better though they have done more recently, still look some distance off the big trophies. Chelsea, as better organised as they are under Tuchel, also still look some distance off. And Jose Mourinho has been recycled one too many times now. So the more pertinent question to ask is, why is there such a dearth of top managers?

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    #178222
    Mikus
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    To answer part of that question, there’s no shortage of retired footballers going into punditry. Well paid to just talk about football vs managing and coaching a team having to make big decisions under pressure.

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    #178228
    Brian blue
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    Chuky..there are more potential investors than clubs, even for fans who want to club together and do it, although I do not see that happening for a number of reasons. Nine is right, City are doing well to day, it could be there era but it will be somebody else later….maybe Spurs!!!! I respect your views Chuky and i concede I maybe wrong with mine but that is worth debating like we do. To me , the magic of football in England is the FA Cup, in a few months, the whole process starts again and the minors take pride in having a go from the early stages in the hope of another Chorley v Spurs again, It is magic…no money can take that away or buy it. Just a pity the rest of football was not like this and eliminate the names Superior, Premier etc etc

    Get back to what it really is. Div 1/2/3 etc. cut they hype

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    #178229
    Brian blue
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    Mikus…and the same pundits tear into managers when they have never been in there position, in other words…have no experience. It is a problem, a bit like shortage of good Refs and assistants…..if we had a very high standard with them , we would not have a need for VAR. !!!

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    #178232
    Mikus
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    Completely agree Brian. It is a cultural problem. Who would want to be a ref when you have the abuse at you every week? And who would want to be a manager when you have big pressure and constant criticism left right and centre along with our gutter press? Granted they’re never going to be the easiest of jobs, we’re not exactly creating a positive culture to encourage recruitment into these areas. And as you say some of these pundits quite happily throw stones into the bear pit from the comfort of their studio.

    I think the other problem is there are now a plethora of options for players when they retire. I remember a documentary years ago that showed how after football some exfootballers used to just return to normal societal jobs like working for transport companies etc. Whereas nowadays I think they have many more options and also they have financial advisers to better invest their earnings from football. So footballers have a lot more comfortable options now after football.

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    #178235
    Chucky McChuckfaceChucky McChuckface
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    Come on cyber chums, I really don’t think you can equate Mr. Walker deciding not to take it with him and buy a title for his boyhood club vs a sovereign state with close to a “trillion” dollars going on a global PR campaign.

    Totally agree there is always going to be a club at the top of the tree when it comes to bottle tops, and the top teams go in cycles etc…, but the Abu Dhabi gang has taken it to a ridiculously silly level… apart from the country that has taken over PSG, who can compete with that? Not even the likes of Chelsea, YooUtd or Liverpool can get close to them… it’s going to be a bloody long time before City finish outside the top 2… and certainly not in the next 5/10 years… everybody is playing for second.

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    #178246
    Brian blue
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    Chucky…with respect. I do not agree with that. I do not have the same problem with City or any other club being owned by them, if the positives are gained from it. However, I am of the opinion that our owners will sell, eventually and I think it may well be within the 5/10 years you quote. They are building a massive global football company but they will have other more short term lucrative ventures before football in this period.

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    #178247
    Chucky McChuckfaceChucky McChuckface
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    Double B… don’t think so, cyber chum, for the very simple notion of who is going to buy it? If your standard “super-league” level of club goes for 2 billion-plus these days (according to the cyber fish-wrappings), I would imagine a conglomerate of clubs all “connected” like that would be 3, maybe even 4 billion in total… can’t see too many takers for that if I’m honest. Time will tell, obviously, but I would be very surprised to see your lot up for sale any time in the next couple of decades.

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    #178248
    nine nine nine
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    Here’s the thing City fans and Chelsea fans can only say they were very fortunate to be taken over by the owners that they have. Most opposition fans would admit they would have gladly swapped places with them and the investment they’ve both enjoyed clearly lifted both to a different level and they have both won trophies they wouldn’t have won without that investment and City fans and Chelsea fans all readily acknowledge that

    Fans of all Clubs have no say on what their owners do for good or bad as we saw last week or how much their owners may or may not invest in their Clubs.

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    #178249
    Chucky McChuckfaceChucky McChuckface
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    Absolutely right, Puppy, would love to be in your shoes… but I’m not wearing your pair of Christian Louboutins and are stuck with a pair TK Max Tearaways Plimsols… and we both know if you were wearing my shoes you would be teasing me too!!

    It’s just a small price for you “jammy-dodgers” to pay for all the “glory” you’ve had to endure! πŸ™‚

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    #178251
    nine nine nine
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    Absolutely Chucky.😊

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    #178274
    Brian blue
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    Chuky…the investors are there, you have to look at the bottom of the chip paper where the vinegar has not touched, you will also notice a bid for arsenal at 1.2 Billion, now Kronke could throw a battered cod on that but plenty of investors, maybe they do not like the look of Fifa/Uefa management that puts them off…who would blame them!!!! I am OK will be watching my local team, a three minute walk from home!!!! Oh,, forgot to mention….I will not be an investor, even though I have just has a “massive”rise in my State Pension….Β£5…I think, but maybe not as much as that, I have not heard from the Bank yet questioning where all this money is coming from!!!!!

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