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  • #179769
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    Chelsea at OT and City at home in the league I can definitely agree on. Though neither side really came at us really so I’m not sure either were solely because of how Utd set up. In both games, the sides all showed a bit too much respect for each other. I wouldn’t argue with that. As for Liverpool in the cup, we still scored 3 and won the game so I was more than happy with that.

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    #179770
    nine nine nine
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    Juve confirm Allegri.

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    #179773
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    In fairness all defences havenโ€™t been great this season apart from cities and Chelseaโ€™s did improve. Liverpool actually conceded less goals then Utd which is very surprising

    No I agree with that too Sean. I think way too much has been made of Liverpool’s defensive injuries this season. You conceded more than 2 goals per game up until VVD got injured and since then have conceded less than 1 per game. The Leeds and Villa games stand out. Liverpool’s defence was shaky even before the injuries, arguably more so.

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    #179774
    sean the sailor
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    The problem with Liverpool
    Injuries were that it took players from midfield into centre back. Missing fabhino and Henderson from midfield was huge but that was klopp with didnโ€™t trust Philips at the start and we hadnt many options until jan.

    Of course we be in better shape with two of the 3 centre backs instead of Philips and willians.

    Iโ€™m talking about the Utd 0-0 at anfield Ed.

    We were missing Henderson, jota, vvd, Gomez, matip, Taa, Alison, fabhino all big chunks of the season . Itโ€™s going to effect any team. Thisgo missed 105 dayโ€™s because of that horrendous challenge and only fully fit and going in the last two months and was excellent.

    I still think with the 3 cb we would have done better.vvd was an absolutely huge loss as he organises everything back there. A huge leader as was Henderson , thisgo and matip.

    Cities collapse last season was blamed on Laporte missing. Imagine city without Laporte, Dias and stones. Utd without lindolf, Maguire and Bailey and playing Fred and mctwominey there.

    Gary Neville blamed utds defeat to Liverpool on no Maguire but Maguire was part of a defence that had conceded 37 goals in 34 ganes and a defence thatโ€™s was ripped apart by a terrible Roma side conceding 5 in two games.

    Utds result at spurs is out down to a freak result fo Iโ€™ll put the villa one down to that aswell.

    We had a poor start to the season at the back especially with the high line but these guys had the best defensive record in two seasons so of course we missed them even after a bad start
    Liverpool losing 3 centre backs was massive along with klopp making some bizarre decisions ,missing massive players for big parts of the season, our keepers father dying in tragic circumstances, not replacing Lovren, no fans (like all teams) nearly the whole team out of form, no pre-season (like all teams)

    We were absolutely shocking. Itโ€™s crazy we finished 3rd in the end.

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    #179775
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    Yeah no worries Sean. Completely agree. I’m amazed Liverpool finished 3rd after how bad they were for that spell where they lost all those home games. Says a lot about all the sides below Liverpool that they let you back in, in my opinion. But full credit to Liverpool for capitalizing on it.

    Ah you were talking about the league game with Liverpool? Yeah that wasn’t a great game. I agree with that. I think Ole was giving Liverpool far too much respect there. You were there for the taking and he was too cautious.

    You know my view on Ole. He’s not good enough to be Utd manager and should have never been given the permanent job but I think he did a better job this last season than he gets credit for. As you say it’s fine margins. One penalty difference and we’d be talking about how we’d won 1 trophy, got to 2 semis and gone from 3rd to 2nd. We were never going to topple City with their squad, this season. That’s about as good as we possibly could have hoped for.

    We’ve probably only got the 4th best squad in the league so 2nd is great in that regard. If anyone was to try to make an XI out of Chelsea, Utd, City and Liverpool’s squads, you’re looking at Shaw maybe making it. That’s it. 1 player. Bruno at a push.

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    #179776
    sean the sailor
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    Ah we were let back in bigtime Ed chum.

    You called the Leicester collapse and it let us back in. We really were that bad at times tvis seadin. The 6 game losing streak at home was just awful to watch

    Iโ€™m not a big fan of Maguire (as you know lol) but I think heโ€™s a good captain and utd did miss his organizing etc in the last few games.

    Utd fully deserved 2nd and Bruno was my player of the year.

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    #179779
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    Is Sancho done yet Sean? ๐Ÿ˜

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    #179781
    Hightown hopeHightown hope
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    Sean…while yes, I agree it’s a miracle that we finished 3rd, if you look at it closely after 17 games we were top of the league, and for the last 10 games we were the form team in the league…it’s just those games between Game 18 and Game 28 where we were abjectly awful. For nearly 3/4 of the season we were the team in the best form! It is easy to think we were lucky to finish 3rd, and in some ways we were, but if our shit run had been more spread out like most teams were, no-one would have quibbled at third place. In all honety, I think what it shows more than anything is that there is one outstanding team in the league, and a number who are pretty average. United finishing 2nd is more a reflection on the rest of the league than it is on United. They really aren’t a great side at all as was shown by their home form, their performance on Wednesday and just how many times that they had to produce fightbacks to pick up points. And I’m not just having a go at United. We obviously were awful for nearly a third of the season (losing to Fulham, WBA etc), Chelsea really ought to have done alot better than they did with the money they spent, and don’t get me started on Spurs and Arsenal. It’s Leicester I really feel for, as they were the only team that actually out-performed their pre-season expectations!

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    #179784
    sean the sailor
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    Ah fair points hightown, even up to Dec we donโ€™t look really convincing. Dropping silly points at BRighton etc abd city only hit going after the spurs defeat.

    Utd had a winning mentality though. They kept coning back from a goal behind and deserved 2nd in my opinion

    I think they would have finished the league stronger aswell but were concentrating to much on the final

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    #179787
    Brian blue
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    Sean, I think you are right about the loss of key players but I also think before that you were not playing that well before the injuries, at least not up to last seasons standard and the fact you did not go into the market earlier. I think it goes a little deeper than the missing players. City paid the price by not getting to the market earlier when Kompany left and what we bought just not good enough so missing our key players was not a good enough for me as a City fan that we should have done better. However, this is football and these happenings do occur. We have no control of these matters and only hope our Management, both teams, learned a few lessons. It is not easy being in Klopp or Peps position though and they will be judged on what is achieved. I have no time for those who think they know better without having the full picture of events.

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    #179789
    sean the sailor
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    We havenโ€™t performed consistently well since before the pandemic Brian mate.

    I think we looked exhausted at times tvis season. Robertson and winjildium played far to many games

    City put some run together and were excellent after the spurs defeat.

    So solid at the back Keeping clean sheets was the massive change from last season. Also a lot of players vastly improved from last season. Stones being the really obvious one. City were more then worthy champions

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    #179793
    Brian blue
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    I also think the high energy game Liverpool put in had an effect, in some ways similar to City situation with our style. I rhink the difference being Pep thought of ways to play without recognised striker in some ways helped City because he could rotate midfielders who could also knock in some goals and that eased the physical demands. It is also another reason I had stated earlier in a post that Pep would look at a midfielder rather than a striker. Makeno mistake though, without Klopps drive and Peps plans the EPL would have been worse off, these two have brought a high level to our game, others may do it in time but for now I just enjoy watching both teams

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