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    Chucky McChuckfaceChucky McChuckface
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    3p’s… the thing is, they didn’t win tourney’s did they? They didn’t really come that close either. Which only begs the question, were they really that good? Yes, they all won potloads at club level, but that also leads to the logical question of how good were their teammates at club level then??

    #47415 Score: 0
    threepsthreeps
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    Or asks the question what the heck was the manager doing that they couldn’t get the team playing we all think it could of.

    Properly managed that team could of been as dominate as the great Spain team of Xavi and Iniesta. Or damn close to it.

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    steveosnakeeyesteveosnakeeye
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    i think they were better than the sum of all parts ended up being, it was a golden generation of sorts, i think we had poor managers and many of these players were always picked regardless of form or formation and asked to play in the wrong positions….also the rest of the world had a better class of player (the quality is detetiorating IMHO) and of course regardless of who plays and how good they are, every generation faces the same issue with the culture of England, the fans the media and our own inablity not to collapse when the going gets tough…mentality…..

    #47417 Score: 0
    Chucky McChuckfaceChucky McChuckface
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    Good comments..

    3p’s… which leads to the question do really great players really need that much coaching?

    Buffy… agree with a lot of that. Great players don’t automatically mean a great team. I think it’s a combination of the players not actually being that great and weak coaches not being able to bite the bullet for the sake of the team. Don’t agree with the mental part as much mind you.

    #47419 Score: 0
    threepsthreeps
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    Technical and/or physical coaching? No.

    Tactical coaching? Most defiantly yes. Most important aspect in top level football once a certain level of ability is already achieved.

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    steveosnakeeyesteveosnakeeye
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    Nancy im surprised you disagree with the mental aspect, the “English” mentality has been on the wain since the fall of empire and the fact that due to even having one we are now a nation of shame filled apologists with absolutly no self belief or any kind of winning mentality, compare any sport played by both Aussies and Brits and across the board the aussies have a winning mentality compared to us with a much smaller nation (populace wise) yet they excel in many sports…OK not football but you cant have everything 😉

    #47421 Score: 0
    maverick1973maverick1973
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    Beckham Keane Scholes giggs was a formidable midfield Formidable,waspy? That was one of the best midfields you could ever wish for.

    #47423 Score: 0
    Chucky McChuckfaceChucky McChuckface
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    All that means Goosey, is when GoldenBalls and Scholsey were playing with Lampard and Wellard they didn’t have Keane and Giggsy to carry them, which also means Keane and Giggsy were better than Lampard and Wellard! 🙂

    Buffy… you it said it, you Pommies are as mentally strong as school custurd!!!

    #47424 Score: 0
    newbalancenewbalance
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    That ilk of player in Scholes I don’t think we’ll see.

    Players just feign injury and trying to take the easy way out to buy a free kick!😏⚽️

    #47425 Score: 0
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    Interesting Tugay. Which ones are fake. Here are the ones that stand out in quotes:

    https://www.goal.com/en/news/1716/champions-league/2011/05/20/2495489/pep-guardiola-manchester-uniteds-paul-scholes-is-the-best-of-his-

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/european/xavi-retires-former-spain-midfielder-has-one-small-regret-never-playing-with-manchester-united-9651956.html%3famp

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/football/2009/apr/22/paul-scholes-tributes-600-games-manchester-united

    That’s the Zidane, Xavi and Guardiola quotes all in reputable media sources. Happy to be proven wrong in any of the others.

    Genuinely interested which one/ones of those are fake?! Admittedly I only checked the best known players but please let me know which ones are fake that I’ve missed to check

    #47429 Score: 0
    Anonymous
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    “Gerrard was the best physically, Scholes technically and Lampard intelligently. So a 3-way draw!”

    I don’t agree with this.

    Gerrard was the best technically, mentally and physically.

    Lampard was the best offensively, maybe intelligently (off the ball, positional play)

    I’m honestly not sure what Scholes was the best at? I’m not being funny, I spoke about this previously, I’ve just not seen enough of him that made me think “he’s one of the best ever”. I don’t put him up with Gerrard and Lampard, even if they werent completely comparable.

    I know I’m a Liverpool fan but I feel confident that I’d have this opinion as a neutral but on the whole, I think Gerrard was better than Lampard. I say this as someone who is kinda a fan of Lampard. I have been ever since I heard him ream out a guy on the radio. That’s the moment when respect turned to a kind of support in a sense… It sounds silly and maybe it is.

    Gerrard was not perfect, he had flaws but he was the greatest ever English midfielder.

    #47431 Score: 0
    maverick1973maverick1973
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    Did Rooney just say that Engerlaaand would have won everything had they had in charge……………..Pep?

    #47432 Score: 0
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    Gerrard was a hell of a player and IMO more complete than the other 2 but technically better than Scholes? Not even close IMO. Completely different players. It really is a pointless debate!

    #47436 Score: 0
    newbalancenewbalance
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    It’s interesting from all Quarters, regardless of nationalities and playing positions that although there is the ‘New Kid On The Block’, compared to previous eras, there isn’t that many of them coming onto the Circuit.

    So a ‘Ready Made’ player in Mo Salah stemmed from experience of Chelsea and Roma before coming to Liverpool.

    Wouldn’t one agree the point of also having a Talented Manager/Coach behind Every Talented Player.

    I know Pep gets criticised for ‘Chequebook’ etc, but to me, he must be talented or is at the very least surrounded by a Team of High Quality Coaching and Backroom Staff.

    With that in mind, a bit like the Analogy of Music, we are in Talent unfortunately diminishing. Those Older Will Notice This.

    I am in critique though of the so-called ‘Golden Generation’ that should never have been in my view even ‘inheriting’ that label. What did they achieve as a National Team? What Did They Win?

    Exactly. It’s Man Management and a Jigsaw Puzzle to Create A Team ‘plucked’ straight out of the ‘Elite’ teams of the PL. It became a problem simply down to those that were talented occupied like-for-like Playing Positions.

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    PaganPagan
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    Mr. Balance, whilst I agree that you can’t just throw the best players in their respective positions together and expect to get the best team, you have to get the correct blend of personalities as well, and then the manage has to get them working for each other. A managers job is to make his team win, it takes a good manager to get all his players doing their job, but an even better manager to get all his players to do his job for him.

    However I can’t agree with your music analogy, you’re not meant to like modern music, it’s part of getting older……Pagan

    #47445 Score: 0
    newbalancenewbalance
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    Mr Pagan, that is true on personalities.

    You can try and condition behaviours, but personally, I wouldn’t want to change a person’s nature. I would just let them express themselves. I just think a lot of those so-called Golden Generation of players just weren’t compatible as a Team.

    There is a dearth of quality coming through. I guess for now, we just have to embrace what we’ve got.

    Cheers

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