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    Brian blue
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    Ed, Foden is not ready yet but he will be as the season transpires
    KDB, Siva , Fernandinho and Bernado are a tough ask to replace but Pep has already stated he will play this season…from that point it is up to the Foden but at the momet he is getting first class schooling. If you look at some of the other younsters around the same age they are being asked to do too much by there respective teams, the expectancy from fans is also unreasonable. Young players have to learn and earn there places guided by seasoned “pro’s or they will go like many other promising youngsters into oblivion

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    newbalance
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    I must say a great credit to Pep; whenever I’ve seen him include Foden, he’s been integrated holistically. Not easy to break into a ‘clique’ (through no fault really of anybody), but that’s how it is (in Jurgen’s words).

    The Boy has done good. Just please allow time and patience because Foden to my recollection last season in one of the games was instrumental.

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    Only messing Brian. Agree there is no need to rush Foden. I’d quite like to see him go out on loan though. As much as I don’t think he should be rushed in at City, you only have to look at what playing regularly did for the likes of Mount and Sancho. A season in the Championship to toughen him up a bit would do him the world of good IMO.

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    Makaveli
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    “Mak, I’m not talking about winning an odd youth tournament though. A couple of seasons ago, England pretty much swept up at most age levels. That’s not a fluke. There’s no saying it will lead to anything but there’s a reason English players are suddenly in demand all across Europe ”

    This is kinda my point though. English players have always been good. The international team being bad has never been about a lack of available talent. It almost hurts to look back at the golden generation, or whatever they were referred to back when England had the likes of Gerrard, Lampard, Terry, Ferdinand, Cole, Beckham, Scholes. It’s an absolute disgrace that they couldn’t find a staff setup that could mold them into a proper team.

    I don’t want to side-line too much but the other side of the coin, kinda… Over here in Ireland, our talent pool has completely dried up slowly over the past few decades. We used to have players in the top sides. Now it seems our team largely comes from lower Pl and Championship sides, it’s really strange.

    My interest in international football is not helped by our lack of quality players, who of course combine to play a really uninteresting brand of football but you can also say that they make the best of what they have. They win quite a few games and fair dues to them, they are making the most of it… but I’ve no interest in watching it, besides maybe national pride etc. I wouldn’t watch it week in and out.

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    newbalance
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    Smells of prima-donnas. Good job all of that lot are no longer there!

    Kane is a decent grounded individual and Pep seems to be keeping Sterling in check.

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    Makaveli
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    You didn’t just call Gerrard a prima-donna?

    As for the tohers, I don’t think that’s fair on them either. Lampard certainly wasn’t. Terry may be dislike-able but, again.. Nope. Scholes was in my opinion vastly over-rated but a prima-donna? Nope.

    These players all performed at club level, so that label doesn’t hold up.

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    Probably first time I’ve ever heard of Scholes being overrated! IMO you only need look at what the likes of Pep and Co said about Scholes to realise he was IMO underrated for large parts of his career. The very fact he was shunted out to the left wing for England as probably the best passer of the ball England has ever produced is evidence of that.

    Not intending to get into any pointless Scholes Gerrard or Lampard debate either. Merely susprised at anyone who thinks he was overrated

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    Chucky McChuckface
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    Best passer of the ball England have ever produced?? Glenn.. cough… Hoddle… cough…

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    newbalance
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    Mak, I was referring to “Mr Knighthood” Beckham.

    I don’t have time for that guy.

    Ashley Cole was definitely in that bracket.

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    newbalance
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    You have to look at those who brought baggage to the rest of the team and the wag culture.

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    Chucky McChuckface
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    You know what, if Engerland 2019 played Engerland 2010 in the semi’s of the World Cup, they’ed both still lose (probably on peno’s), as that’s what you Pommies do… (I’m Australian for the sake of this post!! 🙂 )

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    maverick1973
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    Nil-The entire Engerlaaand is/are a nation of WAGs,mate-thats why they will never win anyffin.
    [I am a Klingon,for the sake of this post]

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    Makaveli
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    As a Liverpool fan, I’ve heard SO many times of just how much better Scholes was than Gerrard and Lampard. We can avoid that discussion but it would be hard for him to be under-rated given the waves of incredulous things I’ve had to listen to for years.

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    Mak, Gerrard was absolutely brilliant so you won’t be hearing me banging on about that debate. It’s a pointless one IMO. The three were completely different players and all had their own strengths. I’m sure many Utd fans feel the same way you do about Scholes, that they’ve had to listen to for years about how much better Gerrard was. That’s football fans for you.

    Despite what Zidane said, Scholes wasn’t IMO a complete midfielder. He couldn’t tackle. He wasn’t very versatile in a positional sense. Gerrard was much more complete in that sense. Scholes wasn’t a match winner either like Gerrard. That’s not to say he didn’t massively contribute to Utd winning matches but he didn’t have the ability Gerrard had to single handedly win matches. Keane was more in the Gerrard mold than Scholes in that sense.

    But when someone like Xavi says his one career regret is not having played alongside Scholes, it frankly baffles me that anyone can think he was overrated. He didn’t seek the limelight like many others in his generation. Didn’t threaten to leave to get a new contract. Didn’t even have an agent!

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    I’ve often described them both like this:

    Assuming both were in their prime. If I was given a manager’s role and told I could buy one world class player and nobody else. I had to make do with the squad I had. It would be Gerrard every time.

    If, on the other hand, my chairman said “go out and buy yourself a brand new team. Money isn’t an object” . Scholes would be one of the first names on my wishlist to build a team around.

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