11th September 2019 at 1:50 pm #47297
That discussion has been thrashed out before.
The fact of the matter (through no fault of their own) is that the league has a combination of foreign players.
Percentages at best I’d say 70/30.
We don’t have as many top quality English players coming through.
Not sure why England would need to play a premier team in the first place to validate their existence!!🤔11th September 2019 at 2:02 pm #47298threepsParticipant126 pts
It’s a hypothetical question Nil, no one has mentioned anything about validating an existence!11th September 2019 at 2:40 pm #47299
Leicester wipe the floor with England? I’d take England’s front 3 over any club side in the world. I genuinely mean that. Kane, Sterling and Sancho has a perfect mix of goals, quality and potential. Name me a better front 3!
As for Maguire, everything he does will be picked up on now because of his fee and rightly so. He was obviously not worth what we paid for him but he’s easily England’s best defender. Gomez might well overtake him but he’s not there yet IMO.
Put the likes of Foden in as the creative spark and Gomez alongside Maguire and there’s a quality side there in a year or so. Bottom half?! England would easily challenge Utd, Arsenal and Chelsea IMO. One of Leicester’s best players, Maddison can’t even get in the England side. Nor would Vardy any more if he hadn’t retired.11th September 2019 at 2:45 pm #47300Chucky McChuckfaceParticipant455 pts
I’d go with tonkings from City and Liberools, a draw with the Spuds, and victories over everybody else!
As for the future, I don’t think it’s too bad…
Chillwell, Maggie, Gomez and TAA…
Berkley, Henderson, Rice
Sancho, Kane, Sterling…
Maybe a bit of tinkering in Midfield (am writing this rather quickly!).
That’s a pretty decent 11 to me and that’s before we get to the subs…11th September 2019 at 2:45 pm #47301
I know my first statement there will surprise some and people will instantly point to Liverpool. I’d still argue Kane, Sterling and Sancho is the 3 I’d go for. Liverpool certainly pushes them close. But aside from Liverpool, who else can claim to have a better front 3 in the club game? City possibly? But I’d take Kane>Aguero marginally simply because of the way England play to his strengths and his penalty record.11th September 2019 at 2:47 pm #47302
England have had MUCH better sides man for man. But I’d argue this side we’re putting together now is more balanced and less reliant on individual brilliance.11th September 2019 at 2:49 pm #47303
Mak, I’m not talking about winning an odd youth tournament though. A couple of seasons ago, England pretty much swept up at most age levels. That’s not a fluke. There’s no saying it will lead to anything but there’s a reason English players are suddenly in demand all across Europe11th September 2019 at 2:52 pm #47304
Chucky, agree it’s that CM position where that side looks weak. But put Foden and Mount in there in a year or so and I think there’s real quality there11th September 2019 at 3:00 pm #47305maverick1973Participant533 pts
Portugal,France and Holland will easy beat Engerlaaand,easy! Spain,Croatia and Italy will give Engerlaand a game,Id say 50%-50%.
Kosovo should feel very proud of themselves,didnt give a fuck facing Engerlaand,and considering the fact they have been an independent country only since 2008,with a population of just under 2m,they were fantastic.Engerlannd very good going forward,their defence will get slaughtered by the likes of France and Portugal.11th September 2019 at 3:14 pm #47310maverick1973Participant533 pts
How the feck did all the teams in the PL miss out on J.Felix? A combo of Hazard & Mbappe,imho.Brilliant little player!11th September 2019 at 3:57 pm #47312Chucky McChuckfaceParticipant455 pts
Not wrong Sweddy Eddy… but I wouldn’t chuck Foden or Mount just yet, still a bit too raw around the edges and I reckon they’ll get eaten alive by the bog-digs. I think 2020 is a bit too soon, but 2022? Hmm…
Goosey, I can think of about 130 million reasons why no Prem teams went in for him, too young and a bit too lightweight too…11th September 2019 at 5:28 pm #47313
Not as sure as you Mav. The likes of Depay and Daley Blind, Ryan Babel etc for Holland are bang average. Sure they have some stars dotted around the sides but neither of their attackers would even make England’s bench imo. France are the side to beat at the moment. I don’t even rate Portugal all that highly tbh.
I’m not for a minute saying England are an amazing side. But on their day, they’d give any one of those sides you mentioned a game Mav.11th September 2019 at 6:34 pm #47317AdlabParticipant253 pts
England would be a really decent side if they had ONE quality midfielder like KDB or Benardo Silva for example!11th September 2019 at 6:57 pm #47318
No faith in Foden then Adlab? Bit like Pep then? 😉
Yeah I mean every side in the world would be improved by the likes of KDB. But, by the same token, Belgium et al would be massively improved with Kane or Sterling in their side so it works both ways11th September 2019 at 8:13 pm #47319
3p’s, it’s just the view mate that’s left me in strong disagreement. It’s only because I think there’s people out there that are too critical of England.
I always felt with Southgate, it was a complete Reset Button. He’s genuinely a Great Guy and the crop of players he’s inherited are good pros above all.
It doesn’t bother me personally what their club shirts are.
I’m not sure about the idea of England playing a Prem Team, but would welcome the idea of Liverpool V Brazil 🙂11th September 2019 at 8:21 pm #47320Brian blueParticipant299 pts
Ed, Foden is not ready yet but he will be as the season transpires
KDB, Siva , Fernandinho and Bernado are a tough ask to replace but Pep has already stated he will play this season…from that point it is up to the Foden but at the momet he is getting first class schooling. If you look at some of the other younsters around the same age they are being asked to do too much by there respective teams, the expectancy from fans is also unreasonable. Young players have to learn and earn there places guided by seasoned “pro’s or they will go like many other promising youngsters into oblivion11th September 2019 at 8:48 pm #47323
I must say a great credit to Pep; whenever I’ve seen him include Foden, he’s been integrated holistically. Not easy to break into a ‘clique’ (through no fault really of anybody), but that’s how it is (in Jurgen’s words).
The Boy has done good. Just please allow time and patience because Foden to my recollection last season in one of the games was instrumental.11th September 2019 at 9:17 pm #47325
Only messing Brian. Agree there is no need to rush Foden. I’d quite like to see him go out on loan though. As much as I don’t think he should be rushed in at City, you only have to look at what playing regularly did for the likes of Mount and Sancho. A season in the Championship to toughen him up a bit would do him the world of good IMO.12th September 2019 at 1:07 am #47329AnonymousInactive366 pts
“Mak, I’m not talking about winning an odd youth tournament though. A couple of seasons ago, England pretty much swept up at most age levels. That’s not a fluke. There’s no saying it will lead to anything but there’s a reason English players are suddenly in demand all across Europe ”
This is kinda my point though. English players have always been good. The international team being bad has never been about a lack of available talent. It almost hurts to look back at the golden generation, or whatever they were referred to back when England had the likes of Gerrard, Lampard, Terry, Ferdinand, Cole, Beckham, Scholes. It’s an absolute disgrace that they couldn’t find a staff setup that could mold them into a proper team.
I don’t want to side-line too much but the other side of the coin, kinda… Over here in Ireland, our talent pool has completely dried up slowly over the past few decades. We used to have players in the top sides. Now it seems our team largely comes from lower Pl and Championship sides, it’s really strange.
My interest in international football is not helped by our lack of quality players, who of course combine to play a really uninteresting brand of football but you can also say that they make the best of what they have. They win quite a few games and fair dues to them, they are making the most of it… but I’ve no interest in watching it, besides maybe national pride etc. I wouldn’t watch it week in and out.12th September 2019 at 10:59 am #47335
Smells of prima-donnas. Good job all of that lot are no longer there!
Kane is a decent grounded individual and Pep seems to be keeping Sterling in check.
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