Eintracht Frankfurt Away Wed Oct 22nd KO 8pm

[sean the sailor]

Worrying thing is our midfield set up resembles something like ten hags at utd.

Sunday we had mac and szobo pushed on to their cbs nearly, nearly standing on isaks heals

We have to do being so open when we lose the ball.

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[Mikus LFC]

We don’t have any defensively minded midfielder in the team bar Endo (who has only really been used to see games out later in a game). Even Gravenberch I think has recently said he has enjoyed being given the opportunity to get forward more by Slot, though apparently another midfielder has to play the 6 if he does do that which I think is very idealistic considering none of our starting midfielders I don’t think are particularly defensively minded.

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[threeps]

We didn’t have one last season either Mikus but we used a tactic that didn’t leave us totally exposed. We proved last year we don’t need an Ugarte type player if the team is set up correctly.

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[Songman]

Ginger, Rob etc. all the top teams have one No. 9 who starts virtually every big game e.g. Haaland at City.

Even Liverpool has always had a main No. 9, such as Suarez, Firmino and even Díaz (in the latter part of last season). The exception being when our No. 9’s were frequently injured or inconsistent, like in the case of Jota and Nunez, hence why Slot went with Díaz instead.

Ekitike is a No. 9, and he must start every big game, and I can assure you that the more he starts, the better he’ll get, that’s why he was called up very quickly by France. Even Thierry Henry called him the most impressive signing of the summer in the PL.

All these excuses that are enough games for both Isak and Ekitike is total rubbish, and actually a very poor understanding of how football actually works. Unless they both start together, there is absolutely no way for either of them to start say 40 games consistently, which is what strikers of their quality need to gain momentum. You just can’t have either of them on the bench, and expect them to operate at peak performance.

Just admit it, Hughes fucked up.

After buying Ekitike, he should have spent that £120m on at least a top winger as his main priority for £60m, and on a CB (if available) with some/all of the rest of the money. And Ekitike would have been our main striker, with Chiesa and Gakpo as backup.

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[Songman]

He is known, like Edwards, to use a stat/analytical based system to identify transfer targets.
Or how do you explain what is clearly something you are not happy with?

I am not happy with the bleeding obvious:

1. Why sign two very expensive strikers to compete for one position, meaning one of them will be on the bench most of the time – unless of course Slot wakes up and starts playing them together.. This is by far the biggest problem

2. Why spend £124m on Isak, when the going price for similar players was £60m – £80m this summer

3. Why did we not get the balance of our attack right, by signing a versatile winger instead, in the mould of Diaz, who could play all along the frontline, for around £60m.

The issue is not tat/analytical based system, but signing the wrong player, at the extremely wrong price in the first place.

I am a self-employed businessman, and in my industry, if you make a mistake, it is not a problem, as long as it is a small mistake with minimal impact e.g. we signed Chiesa for just £13m, and if he had failed, it would have hardly been a problem. And he’s been quite decent anyway, for the price.

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[Songman]

Regarding Isak, even though I was one of the very few fans totally against us singing him (for such an exorbitant price), the only thing that matters to me is Liverpool winning games and the biggest titles asap.

Accordingly, Slot has to now find a way to get the best out of Isak at the club, and even improve him greatly over his Newcastle form, to become world-class, which he isn’t yet.

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[sean the sailor]

Songman you always whip out the buisness man line. I hope you not as aggressive in face to face meetings as you are on line lol

Your tone is so aggressive when its only a football discussion

Its very very early days to be y sny signing off.

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[Songman]

Doesn’t matter what my attitude is, Sean, I’m just stating facts.

The main issue is as I said “Why sign two very expensive strikers to compete for one position, meaning one of them will be on the bench most of the time”, and no one seems to be addressing this issue, although Carragher did yesterday.

So can you answer my above question? Why sign Isak, when it means Ekitike will be on the bench most of the time in the big games?

And I have not written Isak off (see my above post), I am just criticising the decision to sign him (for an exteremeley exorbitant price), when we already had a top striker, Ekitike.

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[sean the sailor]

Up to the manager to figure that out. I would play eitike from the left. He drifts out there a lot. Sunday he comes off and first time gets ball is out on line and has a great run and shot

At the moment though id say eitike ss 9 over isak. Gakpo did well sunday but needs to keep that up. Otherwise give eitike run on left with isak as 9

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[Mikus LFC]

We still conceded too many goals for me last season Threeps. Had it not been for our effective attack, we’d probably have conceded more. I’m not even saying we need a rigid 6, more of an energetic 6 who can be box to box and cover lots of ground. Don’t really think we’ve got that, only midfielders who like to bomb forward. I think as some pundits have said, a bit of arrogance has creeped in too. We can certainly steady the ship more with a better set up, but still think we need another type of midfielder in there longer term.

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[Asiansensation]

Rob “signing of BOTH Ekitike and Isak makes total sense to me.” Agreed, we lost Diaz, jota and nunez… replaced with ekitike and isak.. so yeah thats the right way with the hope that ngumoha could also step up!

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[threeps]

Thing with Songman is he is actually agreeing with me regarding Isak, Ekitike and Hughes yet still comes across unnecessarily aggressive. Maybe he’s just like that, maybe he’s too simple to understand what’s being said? Not sure, but it’s a common theme.

“I am a self-employed businessman…” Songman, don’t think anyone cares or is impressed to be honest. Certainly doesn’t give your arguments any added weight. Can understand Rob mentioning his Fort Worth tiny toddlers “soccer” coaching or whatever, but don’t see any relevance in knowing what you do.

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[threeps]

Mikus, last season we were superb for about the first half or so, then dropped off a little. You could argue that the title was in the bag so players became a bit complacent and there’s probably some truth in that. But there was a major tactical change forced on us around the half way mark.

Once you best the press the opposition defence is open to attack. With the pace we had, if we get past that press, we had opportunities all over the pitch to attack or gain an advantage. Gravenberch for the first half of the season was a major reason why be beat the press. We’d pass about the defence and then ping into his feet and he’d do that trademark turn and shoulder drop to best the press. He was superb at it and it started many attacks, meaning thr opposion was under near constant pressure.

Around half way, and I can’t remember who did it first, teams cottoned on to this and marked his passing lane so we ended up going long a lot more and then it’s anyone’s game where the ball will end up. The pressure we subjected teams to reduced and so they had more opportunities to attack us back.

This season we use the old 1990s tactic of long ball to the wings and hope it drops kindly for us. Maybe that’ll get better once Alisson returns.

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[sean the sailor]

Mikuis, we concede far to many chances snd goals.

Agree with threeps about grav, aswell as teams copping on, grav played to much

I do think we lack physicality in midfield at times and got bullied in tough away games like Newcastle, forest, everton etc

We have to be a much better defensive unit all the way through the team. Midfield is a huge issue but we did show againest arsenal we can be much more solid.

Stop conceding goals and silly chances and we fine as we have the firepower. Wr have scored in every game except Galatasaray.

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[macclad11]

My main concern is the recurring theme of very slow build up play resulting in Konate stroking the ball around well inside the opposition half, but not posing any threat.

If he moves it out to Salah, he in variably loses possession and doesn’t get a shot or cross in.

If it goes to Gapko, we know that will result in a cut in and curling shot towards the far post.

If it goes centrally then it just gets lost in the traffic, lost count of the number of blocked shots this season.

There’s no dynamic passing on the break and not enough overlapping from the full backs. Until we get some speed into our transitions of play we are going to struggle to get control of games and always be susceptible at the back when panic sets in.

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[Rob Fort Worth TX]

Slot before the signing of Isak: “I see Hugo mainly as a #9, that could also play from the left or together with another #9. We need to have one more attacker at least.”

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[threeps]

Yeah but he’s hardly going to say “I see Hugo as a 9 and only a 9, he’s barely ever played as a winger. In fact Nunez played on the wing more times than this chap ever has. So why we blew so much on a reserve no 9 I don’t know. Ask Hughes, he’s the one that fucked up, i wanted Fofana or Gordon but no one listens to me”.

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[Rob Fort Worth TX]

Lots of condemnation here of the new signings 8 games in.

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[Rob Fort Worth TX]

When fully up to speed, a 442 diamond of Mac, Grav, Szobo, Wirtz, Ekitike and Isak would be very interesting! Grav splitting the centre halves, full backs up and wide (no inverting bollocks), numerical superiority in midfield, morphing into a 343 with the ball and 442 without. Give it a whizz Arne!

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[gingerlfc]

As pointed out previously Rob, the diamond midfield couldn’t have been the plan in the summer considering the actions taken.

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