Delcan Rice

[Chucky McChuckface]

It’s not been on here, flown under the radar a bit due to it being Champions League’s week and all that, but what do we think about Declan Rice swapping shirts at Half-Time? Actually, considering he’s played for the U16, U17, U18, U21 and full Ireland team (despite all games being “friendlies”), it’s more like swapping shirts in injury time…

Shouldn’t be allowed (yes, Goldie, it’s in the “rules”, it’s a stupid rule!) in my opinion.

And another thing, as the rules allow it, you could also say those rule shoots FIFA in its own foot by admitting friendlies don’t actually count for anything…

Don’t get me wrong, he’s a cracking little player, reminds of Dier but twice as good to be honest, but he’s taking the Paddy Micky there…

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[nine nine nine]

You summed it up perfectly Chucky “it’s a stupid rule! in my opinion.”

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[Chucky McChuckface]

I know you like your rules cyber chum! 🙂

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[nine nine nine]

The rules govern us Chucky whether right or wrong, personally I would like to seem them changed to prevent any players swapping countries once they’ve made a Senior appearance for another country but it’s a FIFA decision.

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[Chucky McChuckface]

I’d go one stage further mate, play for the country you were born in… end of conversation.

It’s even crazier in Rugby, with my duel British/Aussie thingy, mixed in with “residence” rules, in theory I could technically play for 8 different countries… (if I was good enough… or young enough… 🙂 )

(Not at the same time, obvioulsy!).

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[nine nine nine]

Not sure about that Chucky a player could be born to English parents who happened to be living and working in Moscow at the time who then moved back to England a year later where that player was then bought up.

I can’t see how that player should’ve forced to play for Russia when he was only there due to the career of his Father and he has absolutely no ties to Russia other than bring born there.

I would go the Senior appearance route but there’s no sign of FIFA doing even that.

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[Chucky McChuckface]

Fair point, at the very least stick with the country you first played for… your lad could then either play for Russia, or play for England, fair enough…

But playing for Russia multiple times and then thinking you’d rather want bangers & mash for tea because you’ve lost the taste caviar should be outlawed…

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[nine nine nine]

“But playing for Russia multiple times and then thinking you’d rather want bangers & mash for tea because you’ve lost the taste caviar should be outlawed…”

100% Agree Chucky.

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[Mikus LFC]

Current rules are as follows I believe (via https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIFA_eligibility_rules):

Any player … who assumes a new nationality and who has not played international football [in a match (either in full or in part) in an official competition of any category or any type of football] shall be eligible to play for the new representative team only if he fulfils one of the following conditions:

a) He was born on the territory of the relevant association;
b) His biological mother or biological father was born on the territory of the relevant association;
c) His grandmother or grandfather was born on the territory of the relevant association;
d) He has lived continuously for at least five years after reaching the age of 18 on the territory of the relevant association.

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[Mikus LFC]

Seem to remember the FA trying to get Cudicini to play for England. How desperate would that have been??

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[Anonymous]

I dunno lads. I don’t have a problem with it as long as the person has a strong and genuine link to the newly assumed nationality.

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[Brian blue]

Rules should be clear and simple. Born in the country…no other options
If your parents are in Moscow they must have a good job…fly back and have his birth registerd in UK.. Of course there will be other exceptions but I still would opt for the “no option rule”

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[Brian blue]

PS I have just thought of one option the player could take…..give up his British Passport and take another country.

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[Nike19]

Hmm, tricky one but I get why it might rub people’s backs.

And the rules are there in place for a reason.

If say you are non-white for example and born here and wanting to play for England, would anybody have any problem with that (just to be on a slight tangent)?

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[Nike19]

By the way Chucks, are you bored or something mate lol, haha 😀

Football’s back on this weekend (not for us though)! 😛

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[Chucky McChuckface]

It wasn’t the busiest afternoon I’ve had at work, that’s for sure… 🙂

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[nine nine nine]

You’re a hard man Brian.?

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[Editor]

I can definitely see both sides of the argument. I personally can’t think of a better set of rules, though, than those currently in place. I have no problem with Zaha opting to play for Ivory Coast either after playing for England, either. Disappointing to see that he’s had loads of abuse for it

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[Anonymous]

Brian. I will only use my own example, it doesn’t cover all the possible angles but I was born in Canada. My bloodline is 100% irish, although my dad was born in Liverpool and lived there only til he was 4. I live din Canada until I was 9.

I don’t consider myself Canadian. I am Irish and were I a professional footballer, I’d like to be able to play for Ireland, not Canada and not just because they are shite.

It’s got to come down to the nation that you feel “home” to. A decision made early on in a career, usually in order to just get to a higher standard of football, should not be final in my eyes. I really don’t see why there is such a big deal with a player taking a chance with a nation who approached him early on… but then later when he’s good enough, switching to the nation with which he identifies with. It is morally wrong to hold this over a player. If people are unwilling to budge on this, maybe the temptation needs to be taken away completely, with the removal of all national football below top level. Ridiculous? Perhaps but maybe you can see my point at least.

For me again, were I a pro footballer and had been looking for more exposure and more chances to develop. Had Canada come in for me when there wasnt a sniff of Ireland … I’d definitely have been tempted and this is how it goes down=. That’s the problem, not people switching.

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[Nike19]

I think that’s the key, Mak.

When you change allegiance. If for any reason one happens to be in a situation where there’s more bias towards one than the other, by all means do what you feel is best. For me though, there’s no going back.

• This reply was modified 5 years, 2 months ago by Nike19.

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