Crystal Palace Home Wed Oct 29th KO 7.45pm

[Rob Fort Worth TX]

Warnock, worryingly, bang on….

“Arne Slot has almost admitted there that the squad is not strong enough,” said Warnock on BBC Radio 5 Live. “It was very much deflecting and making excuses.

“You’re a team in the Champions League, yet you’re moaning that you’re playing a game two days later. You know that is going to happen. I felt there were a lot of excuses in there. You know your squad depth isn’t the best, then your business hasn’t been good enough in the summer.”

Rob from Fort Worth says…..After spending almost half a billion, your business SHOULD BE good enough! FFS.

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[Moonster]

At the end of the game Robbo went to the fans head bowed and hands up as if to say sorry, Slot went on tv and made excuses.
The ‘we play 3 games in week’ excuse gets trotted out after £450m spent, basically saying we’ve no squad depth…if i was FSG after that statement I think I’d be having words, and I reckon theyre making plans without him now.
Seeing Robbo like that taking the flak, its not going to do much for the team cohesion with the manager, and our dressing room isn’t exactly fully surrortive of him already.
Slot’s lost the plot really, his press handling tactics are as bad as the on the pitch tactics we’re seeing, deflection after deflection just shows he’s not accepting that maybe he, his coaching team and the tactics are the problem.
Remember the days of the pressing monsters, this has been coached out of the team and now they couldnt press or crush a grape.

• This reply was modified 2 months, 2 weeks ago by Moonster.

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[Asiansensation]

Its amazing how many “arm chair” managers we have on this site. Some really poor “reactions” from so called supporters… its the league cup… its the least of our worrys! The aim should be to get back on track for the league, cl and the fa cup when it comes!

I hope i never get the chance to remind you all when a shitstorm really happens… too many greedy fickle plastic fans… think of benitezs injury hit season 2010 when everyone was desperate to see him sacked( but no regard for the state of the team)… and then getting Roy Hodgson who nearly got the team relegated, club nearly bankrupt, best players leaving and signing the likes of paul konchesky, now thats a time to worry!!

Seen the game, we were poor in large parts, no real attacking threat. Ngomoha found it difficult to get anything when he got the ball, cheisa was the same… mac had no options on the ball, i know threeps is on him atm, but he might be right in todays game as he was bypassed very easily and doesnt have the legs to chase down the players. The rest was men vs boys.. kerkez is still all over the show! Fingers crossed he turns it around!

So onto positives and Every cloud has a silver lining… it gave our squad a run out, no injuries and hopefully should keep the team fresh with less games in December and January! Now lets get a result against villa.. and slowly turn this around!

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[Asiansensation]

Oh yeah forgot to mention, i thought calvin ramsay played well and seemed to be confident and strong… heres hoping he can now revive his career after having some bad luck with injuries!

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[threeps]

Asian, you’re being disrespectful by calling people “armchair managers” just because they don’t share your opinion. That’s exactly what a forum is for — people discussing and debating different views.

If you can’t handle others criticising the team or players, maybe don’t read the reactions thread. Throwing around terms like “plastic fans” just because people are frustrated is childish. Everyone here supports the club — we just express it differently.

Back to the actual game, don’t think I can add anything more to what Fulcrum has already said. I saw that game as an opportunity to make a step in the right direction but sadly that was missed. Now the pressure will mount for the Villa game and subsequent games against Real and City.

I know Moonster upsets folk on here with some of his posts but I agree with him that the issue has been around since the middle of last season. I’ve also heard rumours of dressing room unrest, I’d imagine because thr players can clearly see what they are training for and being asked to do in game is total rubbish.

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[Asiansensation]

Threeps, my “arm chair” managers statement is my opinion… and if people dont like it and think its aimed at them… tough.. they can run along because ive not really mentioned names.. so no need to be so sensitive! However, I mentioned your name in that comment as youre actually right about mac… so youre more than welcome to challenge me on that.

On to your point about the game.. its a damned if you do and a damned if you dont! If we won this game, lost against villa.. people will be saying “we should have rested players and the cup is meaningless”.. if players got injured people would be saying “whys slot being stupid and playing first teamers when they should be rested!

Dressing room unrest is a common thing when teams are losing.. i expect nothing less from the players, they know what they have to do and the pressures on every player to step up! Thats where slot, coaching staff and leaders on and off the pitch will get there dues.. and hopefully once the cloud passes we will be all the better for it!

• This reply was modified 2 months, 2 weeks ago by Asiansensation.

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[sean the sailor]

Asian, i just think slot has piled more pressure on himself as that’s 6 loses from 7 mate. Look at the other teams the top sides put out? A good mixture, that team wasnt even giving us a chance.

I agree moonster.Slot is starting to talk rubbish which is all the signs of a manager under pressure. Also our performances have hugely dipped from the utd game in jan. we beat ipswich end of jan which was an excellent performance then we were good v psg, city, spurs and Newcastle

We cannot handle being pressed or any physical battle. We lose the ball deep in the opposing half and we are wife ooen. Tactic’s are terrible, i just cant watch kerkes again .

I will absolutely support him to the hilt but i really fear for us in next few games.
No one wants him sacked, he deserves a loy of grace to turn this around.

My team going forward would be

Mamrash
Gomez vvd konate robbo
Macca grav
Mo szobo writz
Eitikr

Become solid again. Stop playing kerkes. That just has to stop, its not fair on him at the moment

• This reply was modified 2 months, 2 weeks ago by sean the sailor.

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[Moonster]

It was pretty simple to see last season, if a pro drops off 5% then its a failure, it no different to a thoroughbred horse. Once that horse loses than 5%….it dont come back.
With some of our players in the 28+ age, something drastic needs to happen to get the form back.
The Mentality slip has been quite incredible, we were absolute monsters at times, press and with fight, now….well, we ain’t that no more. Fight and determination is a natural thing until its allowed to drop…and its bombed

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[threeps]

I’m not in the Slot out brigade yet but might be after the City game if performances don’t improve. We have a great squad and with tactics that suit them we could be very good again. I agree with Moonster however that thr press seems to have coached out of them which is a worry.

Also feel I need to apologise to Mikus when I dismissed his comparisons between Slot and Rodgers. I am starting to see a similar arrogance about him when clearly he is wrong. Rodgers lost the dressing room if I remember correctly. It’s odd as last season I thought Slot was great, spoke brilliantly to the press and seemed a very astute tactician.

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[gingerlfc]

Sean I wouldn’t be reading to much into the team selection from last night.

If Frimpong were fit one of him or Bradley would have started.
If Leoni was fit he would have started which could have meant Endo to midfield (although not sure Slot would have done that)
Grav and Jones both out injured. Nyoni likely to have played a part regardless.
Isak and Danns both out; one of them or Ekitike would have started, allowing Chiesa to play off the wing replacing Morrison.
Immediately the team would look a lot stronger.

The issue is the structure, the plan, not just the players.

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[Adidas20]

The mindset and attitude should be to challenge for ALL competitions. Liverpool are the most successful to win the League Cup Competition. It’s partly how we became and currently are England’s most successful Club.

You think back to the 90s and we played Crystal Palace in a Semi over 2 legs and pulled through to the Final. One of my fave and best memories back in 1995 winning the then Coca Cola Cup.

Players outside the first 11 and the youth need a taste of that and need to understand the importance of aspiring to ALL cup competitions. In 2024 we won 2 Cups which was a joy. Are we laying all our Eggs in the Basket for the CL because right now, that particularly doesn’t look too great, nor the League.

Something behind the scenes most definitely isn’t right judging by the vibes. We fluked wins at the start. We still are unable to address our main weakness and a team that’s employed to fix this quite simply so far are incompetent to do so. Pressure will mount of his Tenure, like it or not. Millions and Millions of Pounds of Talent and Extended Squad Players does not equate to ‘Resting Players’.

That’s profoundly ridiculous as We have Real Madrid subsequently after Villa, so what would the Excuse be then?!?!?!

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[fulcrum]

Asian Lad, are you having a laugh?
We have lost something like 12 times in the last 26 games. That is damning.

We can’t blame the owners, we’ve had huge investment. And even though we could have used the funds in a more balanced way the players bought are all good players, the trouble is that we are being tactically naive.

Repeatedly so.

And from my armchair that is worthy of criticism.

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[sean the sailor]

Ah ye i get that ginger

Totally agree about structure and plan

Threeps, i think we will beat villa but lose to real and city

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[threeps]

Normally I’d agree Sean but the way we’ve played all season I’m not sure about Villa, there’s so many glaring issues I’m not confident of any game currently.

But could we get into a situation like Utd had when they know they have an unsuitable manager but he gets enough wins to maintain his employment, thus prolonging the issue?

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[gingerlfc]

Villa didn’t playing midweek so they will have been training all week in focus for this game v us and are coming off the back of 4 league wins including V City last weekend.

This wont be an easy game. Especially if we don’t address our own glaring issues.

If I see Szobo moved to RB again mid game I think I’m gonna put my foot through the telly!

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[Mikus LFC]

No worries Threeps. Yes it can in some ways be a hard one to get your head around after last season though I think some signs were there. Like Rodgers, it’s almost as though part of our success last season was built more on the momentum of our attack and perhaps teams respecting us more and now that’s gone we’re not seeing much substance underneath it. Slot’s desperate lines and excuses he’s coming out with not really helping my confidence he’ll turn this around nor my belief that he’s got any answers to it.

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[gingerlfc]

I don’t see that.
Our success last season was built upon controlling games via a known plan.
Players knew what they were meant to do, where they were meant to be in each phase.
This could be seen as early as pre season last year
There was no settling in period for new players.

Yes our excellent attack meant that we put away plenty of chances but it was built upon control.
We rarely blew teams away with the amount of goals scored; it was all about control.
I think our most regular score line was 2-0.

We won the league with several games to go and were “on the beach” for the remainder of the season.
Obviously things will slip then.

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[threeps]

Last seasons success was built on our build up from the back and the way Grav could easily bypass the press. This led to increased pressure applied by our attack in numerous, quality attacks. The opposition worked it out around January/February time and we weren’t anywhere near as effective, but the league was already done.

I think Slot deserves a lot of praise for what he did in the first half of last season. Remember everyone said he would flop following Klopp, but he didn’t, he improved the team tactically. It may have been klopp players but klopp didn’t win the league with them.

This is why I can’t get my head around the change this season. OK the Gravenberch build up issue would still need to be addressed but now we just pump the ball to the flanks and hope for the best. Opposition tactics have changed a lot this season with more long balls etc, maybe Slot just hasn’t a clue how to combat that?

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[Mikus LFC]

I still think there was an uneasiness about us though ginger. The 3-3 draw with Newcastle last season, the 3-2 win at Southampton, even I think the home win to Brighton felt rather unstable shall we say if I remember correctly. There were just signs we could be easy to get at.

When confidence was high over that period and Slot would make a few adjustments here and there to keep the attack flowing everything on the surface looked good. But deeper down these problems weren’t going away and now they’re plain for all to see now that confidence has gone.

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[Adidas20]

Its possible we could lose all 3 of our next batch of games.

We lack confidence, are very vulnerable and we’ve lost the identity to be able to formulate any purposeful pattern of play and press.

The board naturally have been patient but ultimately at that point something would need to give.

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