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  • #168819
    Nike19Nike19
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    Makes me wonder about everything that’s gone on with Andy Burnham trying to fight for a support package with the Government for Manchester.

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    #168822
    nine nine nine
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    Unfortunately the Government don’t have a pot of gold to call upon they are borrowing hundreds of billions of pounds to fight Coronavirus and to support those that need support because of the Coronavirus.

    I doubt this borrowing will be paid back in my Grandsons lifetimes probably not even in their offsprings lifetimes. We only finished paying for World War 2 in 2006.

    The support monies provided to any areas in need because of regional lockdowns should relate to each area.

    Reportedly Andy Burnham wanted Manchester be given more than ahy other area had been given but the support has to be fair to all areas and must have a relationship to those other areas.

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    #168854
    Nike19Nike19
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    There’s that saying of if you don’t ask you don’t get.

    The reality is that we’ve been in over 10 years of austerity – the mess left by the previous people in power. The local communities have been destroyed and the high street is on it’s last legs. Business Rates!

    People have been furloughed only to then return to no job.

    From an economy point of view, it’s not healthy to return to full lockdown and close certain types of business. Plus a certain city in Leicester that have had to play catch-up.

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    #168855
    nine nine nine
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    Nil, the Government has spent over Β£200 billion from April to August of this year on Covid and that continues to increase with today’s announcement.

    Our national debt already runs into trillions of Β£’s what was offered to Andy Burnham was fair in relationship to what had been provided to other areas in Tier 3.

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    #168856
    Tugay is God
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    Greater Manchester has a bigger population than Merseyside, Lancashire and South Yorkshire, so he is right to ask for more money, as more people will be affected with these ridiculous restrictions.

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    #168857
    Nike19Nike19
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    Nine, sad reality mate for the Taxpayer as ultimately, it’s them who have to foot the bill. We need the economies stimulated and stable to drive trade etc. Households will struggle. It’s one certain period of time mate where the government will need to step up, but could really be vital for us in the long run.

    Cheers

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    #168860
    nine nine nine
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    Tugay, population was taken into account in terms of support for all 3rd Tier areas in fact the per capita allowance for each Region is almost exactly the same.

    Thankfully one way or another it seems to be all settled now.

    However we all need to bear in mind that we can only do what we can afford to do nobody can continuosly spend what they haven’t got even Governments.

    To date from April to August the Government has spent over Β£200 billion fighting the Corona Virus all of it borrowed.

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    #169106
    Nike19Nike19
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    I’m reading today about Vaccines being on the horizon.

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    #169139
    442
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    9’s… the conservatives found the magic money tree they accused labour of having. the bank of england might as well print toilet paper as all they have to do is add digits on a computer. its not real anymore. universal basic income coming?

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    #169140
    nine nine nine
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    442, every Government has had to dig far far deeper into their finances that they don’t actually have than they would have ever wanted to do due to the Pandemic and rightfully so.

    On 31 December 2006, Britain made a final payment of about $83m (Β£45.5m) and thereby discharged the last of its war loans from the US. By the end of World War II Britain had amassed an immense debt of Β£21 billion, the size of the UK debt for the Corona virus will dwarf that Β£21 billion.

    The cost to the country just for the period April to August is over Β£200 billion and it will continue to rise and who knows where it will end and how long it will take to pay it off it certainly won’t happen in our lifetimes nor probably in our Great great Grandchildren’s lifetimes.

    The cost implications of this dreadful Pandemic and how it will effect the lives of the UK population long after it’s hopefully gone are frightening

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    #169141
    442
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    9… the numbers dont matter. its just a series of digits added to a balance sheet. Its monopoly money. Everyone is borrowin more than they were before. The financial system is broken and is automated, even before covid. The virus has simply sped up the digits added column. https://www.usdebtclock.org/world-debt-clock.html

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    #169143
    nine nine nine
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    True enough mate but ultimately they will all have to deal with it or the walls will fall in. Nobody can spend what they don’t have forever.

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    #169144
    sean the sailor
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    Ye nine sane over here mate. My kids will feel the affect of the loans the Irish government is taking out

    Our government has totally lost the people. Big baby and mother scandal going on here at the minute . Protesters protesting about anti masks while wearing masks πŸ˜†

    It’s just a mess. It really is now at this stage. Golf and tennis prohibited but gaa goes ahead and teams can train 11 a side etc

    Joke. It really is and very disheartening

    People need to follow the rules but I think most have given up.6 week lockdown with so many jobs lost. Very sad

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    #169148
    nine nine nine
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    The problem is Sean no Government knows what the right answers are re the Corona virus.In Catalonia and across Spain they’re under curfew now.

    The Mother and Baby scandal in Ireland is terrible I would like to think that such a thing couldn’t happen again.

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    #169149
    sean the sailor
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    Ye I agree nine. Nobody has an answer for this but bad decisions continue to be made

    I’ve no idea what the solution is but I don’t trust our government one bit

    They are a disgrace

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    #169171
    Brian blue
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    Sean…feel much the same way but you have to remember they are POLITICIANS they are useless at anything but argue between themselves instead of working together for the common good of the people. We have also spawned power mad Lord Mayors..another costly idea hoisted on us.

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    #169317
    Nike19Nike19
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    Second National Lockdown does seem likely.

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    #169318
    sean the sailor
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    Sorry Brian, I missed your reply

    Yes very true mate

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    #169328
    Mikus
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    There’s more wisdom in this couple than the whole of Westminster and the media…

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    #169330
    nine nine nine
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    I thought the GP spoke the most sense.

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