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    Nike19Nike19
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    England v Slovenia tonight on a Thursday. Hopefully though it’s a good one though knowing me, I’ll probably be bored after the first 5 mins and switch over elsewhere.

    Goals usually don’t come till late and can’t remember the last time we got off to a flyer. Still hope we get the points

    Come on England!!!

    #5845 Score: 0
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    Kane’s really going out of his way these early stages to make things happen and is commendable. Other’s out there not quite on board so far and Lallana’s creativity and presence is missed as with his club.

    #5848 Score: 0
    Nike19Nike19
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    Half-time and same old same old. The studio pundits seem as though they feel embarrassed!

    #5849 Score: 0
    Hightown hopeHightown hope
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    God, Wembley is so quiet. Not much to get excited about though!

    #5850 Score: 0
    Hightown hopeHightown hope
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    So switched over to Scotland…why are the Jocks playing in pink? They’re at home and there’s no colour clash. What happened to their traditional dark blue?

    #5851 Score: 0
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    Well, we nearly went 1 up. It wasn’t a bad decision as such by Rashford to go for the chip, but a little too delicate and easy-peasy at the end of the day for the keeper to get hold of.

    Sterling comes close as I type, so things are finally starting to hot up!

    #5852 Score: 0
    Nike19Nike19
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    That was written in the script 🙂

    #5853 Score: 0
    Editor
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    Well we left that long enough. It’s not a good sign when your keeper gets man of the match in a home game you should be easily winning

    #5854 Score: 0
    Nike19Nike19
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    Yep, we got there in the end even though we made hard work of it.

    Sorted – June 2018 here we come!

    #5855 Score: 0
    Big Jim
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    Tedious, I went to the pub. Qualify top of group, then out in group stage at WC. Sounds familiar?

    #5856 Score: 0
    Nike19Nike19
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    If Southgate remains as Manager, then we have very little chance of getting past the group stages, that’s my reckoning. Otherwise, the guys overall have done well easy group or not and deserve a bit of gratitude. We qualified after all.

    #5864 Score: 0
    Brian blue
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    I do not mind Southgate as Manaer but he has little quality to work with. I ask you…Dier and Henderson as World class midfieders…I think not and you will need them to get anywhere.. The effort was there from the team but there was no General, nobody to supply the passes needed to get the forwards going, instead the forwards had to do part of there job as well as threaten up front. I thought Rashford and Sterling worked very hard against very tough defenders but they need help

    #5867 Score: 0
    nine nine nine
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    I’m not a massive Southgate fan but if the FA insist that any future England Manager must be English then that’s who you get.

    A bigger problem other than Southgate is the quality of players he has to work with also do we need Henderson and Dier sitting in from of the back 4 against lesser teams?

    Tbh I can only see the usual disappointment in Russia with what we have available. Hope I’m wrong.

    #5871 Score: 0
    Big Jim
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    Exactly Brian and Nine. We have no Gerrard or Lampard in midfield anymore. Imo Henderson and Dier do not have the passing ability to break a disciplined side down. Shame as at the moment i think we have very good forwards in Rashford Sterling and Kane

    #5872 Score: 0
    Nike19Nike19
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    This is like a cliff-hanger or a ‘to be continued’.

    If people can’t see or already see and dithering about in pretence and innocence, then the problem is starred upon.

    It all falls back to breaking Ferguson’s dominance which in my point of view naturally was depressingly raw, hated Manchester United at the expense of Liverpool, and will loathe them greater than any football club at the expense of Liverpool.

    What should essentially have taken place is those players ‘Goldstar’ of the 1990s’ should naturally have accelerated. Why don’t we have a Queue of Candidates for the England Position? No Prefixed Computer Portal?????

    Quite simply because of the allowance of Foreign investment pointing in the direction of the Top Flight starting with The Glazers.

    The attitude precedent to employ more and more Foreign Managers into the Top Flight and essentially put out any potential recruitment of English Managers.
    Look at the Premier League: Count how many English Managers are in occupation, then calculate against our National Side, and here were are, ala Gareth Southgate.

    Note, no England respected legendary from Mexico 86, ala Peter Beardsley, John Barnes, Bryan Robson, Peter Shilton even. 25-30 years in living this; what has gone wrong and why?????

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    #5874 Score: 0
    Big Jim
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    To b honest Nil I don’t understand a lot of you post. England’s demise isn’t down to Alex Ferguson whatsoever. It’s basically just poor management combined with average players.

    #5877 Score: 0
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    Jim:

    The heart of the matter is that we find ourselves with a Manager who doesn’t in fairness have a pedigree and good quality English players at a short supply.

    It’s been a double-edge sword to find some form of balance and the reason why I made a point of Ferguson was because he was the mantle other clubs in top flight football aspired to try and take down.

    The common theme was the hiring of foreign Managers/Coaches and bringing more foreign players into our game. And history shows in fairness, that’s been a good thing because United’s dominance eventually broke down and we have a more competitive Premier League.

    However, as far as Management go, there haven’t been for one reason or another, an English Manager who’s been part in being highly successful. If this was the case, this person hypothetically would appear as a ‘good fit’ to lead our national team.

    Coupled with that, nobody young stepped up once you take out of the equation the late Sir Bobby Robson, Terry Venables and Glen Hoddle. We then chosen to take the route of Sven, and Fabio.

    The FA then have reverted to only hiring an Englishman and we only have effectively Gareth Southgate. It’s a sad state of affairs when there’s several out there sitting in the studio analysing the game, but not for one reason or another aspiring to develop themselves with a view to managing our national team – something in which I must say as an England support am highly disappointed of.

    Some form of encouragement at the very least since the end of the ‘golden generation’ is that we have a group of half-decent players that can get it together, though it still misses that ‘stand out’ player and leader.

    Sometimes I wonder whether there’s any point to facilitating all these academies.

    #5878 Score: 0
    nine nine nine
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    Both of my little lads have experience of and are in Academies, not every young ladbis lucky enough to get that chance but the level of Coaching is at a different level to any local non pro Club with UEFA qualified Coaches, small group Coaching and it’s all ball at feet work and the youngsters are taught to love the ball which includes having your own ball.

    Without the quality of Coaching in the Academies for our best young players and the changes to youth football that the FA have instigated based on Dutch lines which includes small teams and small pitch football we won’t get better players coming through and we will never improve.

    Definitely from personal experience I can confirm that there are major advantages in our best young players being developed in these Academies from the age of 5/6 upwards but it will take time for those advantages to filter upwards.

    #5881 Score: 0
    Big Jim
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    Who else do we have that can act as a midfield playmaker aside from the ineffective Henderson and Dier. Southgate has talked about Wilshire but for me he has always just looked average at best. Need to give some of the younger players a go perhaps.

    #5884 Score: 0
    nine nine nine
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    Jim, I watched the U 21 game last night and there may be one or two ready to step up.

    2 holding midfielders v Lithuania at home when you need a bit of creativity? And Southgate going back to an injury prone Wilshere illustrates our lack of quality options in midfield.

    I thought Barkley might be the answer but let’s see of form and the injury has set him back badly.

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