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9, as I said the other week, the contact was a penalty although not enough to make Foden go to ground. Unless they start giving fouls for this it, I’d say encourages, but it’s probably forces players to go to ground. Then we enforce where we are now with players throwing themselves to ground with little or any contact.
For me the refs need to start giving these decisions and instead of praising players for not cheating we need to be calling out and shaming the ones that do….. Pagan
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Pagan, Referees and the Video Assistant Referees need to be better quality it was a definite penalty imo and should have been given. The PGMOL should drop them Moss is way past his sell by date.
Players currently get called out for diving all teams have them but they don’t care about being called out if it benefits themselves and their team.
I’ve always advocated a diving review panel judged by a panel of former players with a 3 months ban fot those found guilty of diving 6 months down the line I suspect the diving would be very limited.
Congrats to Foden for staying on his feet if only he had been rewarded with a justifiable penalty sadly I suspect he won’t stay on his feet the next time.
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9, that’s the problem, there’s no stigma for cheating, it’s accepted and rewarded, until that changes we’re stuck with it, yep have a review panel, if you get caught cheating 6 match ban rising exponentially if you’re a serial cheat……Pagan
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strange game last night …Southampton made us work..looked abit dodgy at the back at times..
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It’s a pen all day. It’s promoting cheating as a player knows he has to go down to get the foul.
Totally agree nine
Refs start giving fouls for the likes of foden last night then maybe it will stop people diving???
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In order for it to change, as we’ve all said, fouls need to be given even if a player doesn’t go down as long as it is a foul and not just contact. In order for the refs to give them and conversely not give dives and exaggerations then they need the support of the controlling bodies the pundits and the fans, this needs to be all about stopping cheating, and the first thing that needs to happen is for the game in general to admit they have a problem.
If VAR was successful at doing this then the negative talk we have at the moment about it would just be background noise……Pagan
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Pagan, yesterday was just human error by two seperate individuals and they and the Refereeing fraternity need lots of education to ensure they don’t make the wrong call in circumstances like that again and the ones who aren’t up to it need rooted out. It’s down to the PGMOL to make it happen.
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9, it was missed by the ref, which happens as he only gets one look and that may be obstructed. It wasn’t an error by VAR, it was a total failure.
The points for me are.
Not all contact is a foul.
A foul doesn’t need to put you to ground.
No one should be saying you have to exaggerate to get a foul if that’s what it is.
Players will dive and exaggerate if they are rewarded for doing so.
Players aren’t punished for cheating, a cynical foul that stops a goal scoring opportunity is a straight red, getting caught cheating by trying to create a goal scoring opportunity is only a yellow card.
None of the above are being addressed by the governing bodies, so it must be taken that they don’t think it’s a problem.
Pundits, players, managers, ex players etc. encourage it with phrases like “he should go down in that situation” “ he feels contact so he has a right to go down”
We have to accept refs will get things wrong, VAR should correct those errors, that should be the easy part.
Cheating seems to be acceptable in football, and to some degree encouraged, until this aspect of it is addressed, and to do that it needs to be admitted that it’s a problem then there’s no way it will change. Most other sports seem to have far higher morals than football. In that sentence lies the problem…..Pagan
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Pagan…that just about sums it up. As the game stands now it is pathetic in its management of any game.I can only see it getting worse and eventually fans will loose interest. It also makes a divide, more fans will buy a TV subscription than go for the inflated costs of going to a game and that is what the FA and Tv want I think. as to VAR, I have previously given my view that you cannot have technology ruled by humans. the same humans cannot even get the sensible rules right. The game is gradually being set up for cheating and match fixing….just look who is calling the shots now. I am in despair for the game I love
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The messi saga is starting to gather pace again… not sure if city really will go for him at his age and let aguero go which seems inevitable…with barcelona needing to rebuild wouldn’t it be time to let him go anyway
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Great comments Brian….sad but true
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Pagan, if Moss missed the incident and I’m not sure he did it wasn’t missed by the Video Assistant Referee he reviewed the incident and decided it wasn’t a penalty.
Unfortunately humans make mistakes and the only way forwards is for the PGMOL to do more work on educating Referees.
That incident should be played to all the Referees who are also the Video Assistant Referees and confirmed to them by the PGMOL that that is a penalty and in future they require a penalty to be given.
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Well two days since the incident.
Why do we not get obvious calls like this? Either:
1. Inept referee at Stockley. Possible
2. Conscious decision not to give us anything to try to maintain interest in the league giving a helping hand to others who seem to get many penalty decisions.GUESS WHAT I THINK 😀😀🤐
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Adlab. Lol! brilliant stuff only you could come up with point 2.🤣🤣🤣
You had it right with point 1 though.
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9, whilst refs need to start giving decisions like that, and be supported in doing so, I believe it’s also the responsibility of the governing bodies, they’re quite good at rewriting offside laws and hand ball laws, but seem not to want to address the problems of cheating within the game. My take on this is that if they address it, then they have to admit that cheating is rife within the game and they’re not prepared to do that.
Another thing that may help is if the ref could signal he’s playing advantage, and if no advantage is gained then he will come back to the incident, they do it in rugby with no time limit, so there’s no reason that it can’t be introduced into football…..Pagan
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Pagan, that’s why I’ve said the PGMOL have to get involved and instruct and educate Referee’s and why I’ve consistently called for a Diving Review panel encompassing former players with the power to hand out bans for those deemed to have dived.
Anyway I think we’ve done this one to death now and we should return the thread to the City lads.😊
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9, the refs are there to uphold the laws of the game, the PGMOL is there to supply officials and to evaluate their performance. It’s the FA that controls the laws of the game and their interpretation, only when they recognise and decide to do something about cheating can we move towards eradicating it…..Pagan
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Pagan actually it’s IFAB that set the rules of the game. The PGMOL are responsible for the development, training and mentoring of all officials including the Video Assistant Referees.
Based on the above the PGMOL need to help the officials see what was wrong with the Foden incident to try and ensure it doesn’t happen again.
The rules were in place for the Foden incident the Referee and the Video Assistant Referee failed to implement the rules the way to avoid that happening again is by further training and development.
As I said previously I think we need to return this thread to the City fans now. Cheers 9’s
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9, they’re not rules, they’re laws.
The guardians of the laws need to clarify and instruct, referees are there to uphold the laws not interpret them….Pagan
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Thought this essentially was a page exclusively for Man City fans. The politics outlined on the laws of the game clearly shows this is ruining a simple game of Football. Brian, I’m with you on those thoughts expressed.
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