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Nine….it was always stated by City, from the beginning, that the club would have to self support after the project term was concluded. We are now on the second project but the effects of the first are beginning to show, that is because of City management not FFP. It is logical when you look at the last couple of years.We also now have youngsters coming through, albeit, slowly but they are there and have quality.This is highlighted in the Chairmans end of season presentation to the City fans, he has done this for a number of years and an example how a Chairman should operate and give the fans a no nonsense talk of what has happened and what we may expect Well worth a listen even if you are not a City fan, I have had other fans remark to me how good he is at his job
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“Why is it that despite everything and without ALL the facts some still have us guilty?”
Because City are guilty.
It’s like a murderer being found guilty but getting off on appeal because key evidence was found after an illegal, warrant-less search.
How do you think City are innocent?
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Actually I think Adlab raises a fair point about the amount of debt at Utd. If this is about FFP, how is it fair that Utd are allowed to be over £430 million in debt? You can’t really be surprised that other clubs have bent the rules to then try and gain an advantage on such clubs. All this whole thing is just a big power battle between rich bigwigs.
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Utd have played within the rules given to them, when they could have ventured outside and gained an advantage over others. They chose not to and that is all that matters to me right now.
FFP will move onto a new phase and lads, UEFA may have screwed up but if you think they are done for, I think you’re mistaken. Sure, this might push the big clubs to discuss a Super League scenario but I’d be surprised if it was any kind of catalyst for an early break-away. I mean, if City were to win the CL, that might give her a kick up the arse, perhaps but even then…
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Surrey Blue, “UEFA didn’t do their job properly and could have saved a lot of time and money by not trying to produced its assertions and have them rubbished by a very small number of clever lawyers.”
I think we can all agree that UEFA didn’t do their job properly.
But I’m not sure that UEFA’s assertions have been rubbished.
As UEFA have subsequently confirmed “Many of the alleged breaches were time barred due to five year period in UEFA regulations” UEFA.
It’s mind boggling that UEFA could have been that incompetent but the e mails suggest significant wrong doing and if they hadn’t have fallen outside the 5 year barrier there’s every chance City would have been banned given what was revealed in the e mails and if City had nothing to hide why did they refuse to co operate with UEFA.
And it certainly wasn’t the genius of City’s lawyers that got City off their ban the City Lawyers very quickly spotted that all the major charges against City fell outside the 5 year rule.
The City Lawyers would have had to have been as incompetent as certain personell in UEFA not to spot that and it was the reason why City and Pep were so sure they would get off the charges they knew the charges fell on the basis of being outside the 5 year rule.
I don’t thing anyone on here who is not a City fan will buy that City weren’t guilty of what they were charged with given all the obvious evidence against them, City were just fortunate that UEFA were inept enough to charge them when the 5 year rule had been exceeded.
On the plus side I do think City have been cleaning up their act over the last couple of seasons and working hard to remain within the FFP rules now.
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The. Big difference on United’s debt is that it’s down to the way the Glazers financed the purchase of United it’s got nothing to do with how United is run on a day to day basis and United as a football Club remain within the FFP rules every year.
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Nine, the fact that City have been cleaning up their act really means nothing to me. What else would you expect to see from a scenario where money has been heavily invested? They’ve grown as a financial entity that is based upon illicit financing. It’s a bit like criminal enterprises using ill-gotten funds to “go legitimate”. The fact that they are now making money in a legitimate way really doesn’t matter because it’s built on illegal investments. That is how I see City.
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Yet the City owners have invested more into the club and infrastructure regenerating areas, and the Utd owners have saddled their club with debt with the club having to pay significant debt repayments. UEFA see one of these situations as acceptable, and the other less so. And yet FFP was designed to discourage debt in football. Granted there’s not much a governing body could do to address a club owners debt, it still makes a mockery of the whole thing.
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As a result of City getting off an a technicality, someone is robbed of a CL place. I tell you what, if we had narrowly lost the title this season I’d be pretty pissed off about it. Last season is done and gone I guess now and this one is unaffected, thankfully.
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And before anybody thinks I sympathise with rich clubs or the state of money in the game, I don’t. I have despaired for decades about the nature of money in the game, but am simply saying that you can’t really point the finger of blame at owners like the City owners. They are just opportunists who are acting in a manner encouraged by the new culture we now have. If we are to start looking for people to blame probably one person to start with I think is one Murdoch who changed the nature of the game all those years ago with the advent of the premier league. We are now witnessing his legacy. Very similar to the legacy of Ecclestone with regards to F1 in my opinion.
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Mak, I hear you mate but I would rather have City operating under FFP rules as they are now than not. State owned Clubs with no FFP would be very dangerous for the game imo.
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I do enjoy how you guys get your knickers in a twist ….. it’s been a long while of little talking points and everyone being way to nice to each other ?
Tho I notice the increase in tension in posts has increased when silly nilly is back ?
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It changes nothing and will not in the future. People will have opinions but if you are going to have a book of rules it would be wise to read and understand them.
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Ah it’s a good way to be
Especially watching Nancy getting upset whilst manfully trying to show he isn’t really
And no it’s got nothing to do with losing the NLD ?_____________________________
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Nine. I will tell you why City did not cooperate, in my view…why would they when the e mails were illegal obtained and do you or anybody know outside the Courts what was contained in them? They have done what there lawyers obviously directed them to do so not to prejudice there defence
This whole subject now has blown out of proportion now, it is done and dusted now, Millions have been paid on both sides for a legal battle that should never have started and there will be some people now from this outcome. Events similar to this happen in business every day, the lawyers get rich and a case is one or lost, then life moves on. I have been involved in some very high Court actions between multi nationals and the legal profession do not see the event in the same way as Joe Bloggs Due diligence applies to both sides and Der Speigels hacking source I do not believe was identified although I believe City may know the source from there own investigations.I think I will conclude may view on this because it will no doubt go on forever and I have better things to do in my life than discuss the rights and wrongs of an event that cannot be changed. I will look forward to the match on Wednesday now_____________________________
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Brian, we will never all agree.
I fully understand why City fans are defending their Club rightly or wrongly we all do that and why the non City fans see it the way that they do.
It’s all over now the main charges fell out of UEFA’s 5 year rule and as I said earlier City have been trying hard to work within the FFP rules over the last few seasons.
Best if it’s all put to bed now imo.
Cheers 9’s
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Agree with that Nine, it is over, move on.
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