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  • #186475
    nine nine nine
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    Lucky, I thought Frank was more than a bit harsh with how he ditched Rudiger and I think his increase in form where you’re right he’s definitely gone up several levels is more down to Tuchel’s management and tactics than anything else.

    If Rudiger doesn’t sign a new contract with Chelsea which currently looks unlikely I think he will have his pick of the top Clubs in Europe so I don’t think he’ll go to another PL Club and I think he’s ambitious and will want to play regularly in the CL which would count out Newcastle imo. Cheers 9’s

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    #186478
    Luckydestiny
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    We will see Nine, but if it was about playing for a top side he is at the champions of Europe already. Very few could offer more than we would imo. I think it is financial and he will go to the club that guarantees him more money and wouldnt rule out Newcastle for one minute πŸ˜€

    Agree though lamps treatment of rudi very strange.

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    #186479
    Luckydestiny
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    Though just to make it clear I want him to stay 100%

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    #186477
    Mightymoos
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    Timo Werner aims slight dig at Thomas Tuchel as Chelsea star bags brace on Germany duty. He performs better for Germany because of the coach.

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    #186476
    Mightymoos
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    Nothing more to say re mourinho, I don’t dislike him personally just the way he operates, his made millions from other clubs due his bad management.

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    #186482
    nine nine nine
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    I really think Rudiger will require the money and CL football Lucky. PSG, Real and probably Bayern could all give him both imo but as you say time will tell. Still hope he might stay.😊

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    #186483
    nine nine nine
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    Moos, give it a rest the title of this thread is “Chelsea going forwards” Mourinho left Chelsea in 2015 and still remains Chelsea’s most successful Manager.

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    #186484
    Luckydestiny
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    Yeah I defo hope he stays nine he been a monster since tuchel came in and we wnt to back 3. It’s not just his brilliant defensive work either his long range passing and ability to run with ball through midfield is massive for us

    Fingers crossed 🀞

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    #186486
    Rover
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    I also really hope Rudiger stays, amazing amount of talent we have there though even with Tomori and Zouma gone.

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    #186487
    Mightymoos
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    Terry would be an ideal replacement for Rudiger, he can keep his coaching career on hold for a year.

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    #186489
    nine nine nine
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    John Terry will be 41 in a few weeks time his playing days are behind him Moos.

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    #186490
    Luckydestiny
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    Nine hopefully once Newcastle win a trophy or 2 moos will officially jump ship start a Newcastle going forward thread and talk nonsense to himself forever πŸ™‚

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    #186491
    Luckydestiny
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    And as soon as he does Newcastle hire Jose, the destroyer of worlds πŸ˜€

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    #186513
    Young_blue
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    Perosnally, i don’t wish to see Rudiger leave Chelsea, but at the sametime no player is bigger than the club. despite our spending spree in the transfer market, we have always maintained good wage structure. we rarely break our wage structure, and when we do it has to be for a special player. now what is my point? Rudiger came from leaps and pounds since Tuchel has taken over at Chelsea. and that is partly down to the system that Tuchel plays which covers player’s limitation rather than the player blowing trees.

    We have been in this situation with Willian who has been outstanding in his last season with us. i would like to see Rudiger stay, but if he chooses otherwise, i will wish him well in his next destinition. only that i was reading he was eyeing Real Madrid as a potential destinition, i would advice him to stay away from that club for the sake of his career. or at least he should have a chat with Hazard. once you are comfortable at Chelsea, the moment you leave, you start missing it. we have seen that with Hazard, Willian, Mata and Matic. all those players left under different circumstances, but the result was the same. all of them lost their happiness and were not comfortable in their new environment.

    Rudiger will have more money, but he will not have what he has at Chelsea. so he has to choose what he wants wisely. as for Chelsea, if Christensen signs a new deal, and assuming Azpi signs also another deal, and we have Chalobah in place, then we may need only one CB if Silva extends his stay and stays injury free.

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    #186515
    Young_blue
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    Moos,

    Mourinho was the most successful manager that Chelsea and remains that until someone else comes and dethrones him. Yes his methods are declining these days, but you can’t completely write him off. He is one of the best managers in the world and his record says it all.

    As for you saying he left us in a mess, look at our team that has won the league? How many where Mourinho era signings? Matic, Costa, Fabregas and Willian all have played big part in our league win and all were Mourinho signings. Even our team that have won the 2010 Double majority were his signings. And the CL winners of 2012 were also his team or at least the core were his team.

    You may not like him as a person. But respect the man as a manager.

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    #186523
    nine nine nine
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    Silva out v Brentford due to late arrival from Brazil, Rudiger out, Pulasic out and probably Ziyech out too who missed training with a headache but Lukaku fit. Hopefully Kante and James return?

    Tuchel says Brentford β€œwill be up for it” and have waited a long time to play Chelsea in the league. He expects them to play with courage and confidence and that his team must β€œadapt” to this and be ready. β€œWe have to match the mentality and attitude,” and play like underdogs themselves”

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    #186607
    Young_blue
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    Very surprising line up from Tuchel. Sarr starts? Tuchel must have seen something specil from him at the training to start him in this derby game. i’m also happy to see Loftus Cheek start his second game in a row, may be that was down to the fact that he didn’t go to the internationals and had two weeks of training with Tuchel. also delighted to see Kante back in that midfield. but i have to say, we will miss Mount and Jorginho. Mount is our chief goal or chances creator, while Jorginho controls the tempo for us and calms the situation.

    To play devil’s advocate, i would have started Barkley for this game instead of Kovacic. granted Brentford will sit and have as many men behind the all as possible. so Barkley’s vision could be a game cnanger IMO. but i trust Tuchel’s judgement since he has proven his credentials.

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    #186618
    nine nine nine
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    YB, I suspect Saar is in because of the injuries and because of Brentford’s aerial strength 2nd in the PL.

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    #186667
    Young_blue
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    To be honest, i don’t give monkeys to us playing expansive football. but i remember us trying that and playing it, where we hit the woodwork five times, had 86%, had 13 shots 6-7 on target, had 15 corners. but still lost the game 1-0. so i’m fully content with how Tuchel sees the game these days. adapt every situation as it is. and every time we play, Tuchel seems to uncover a gem. so this week he has uncovered Malang Sarr, who i thought filled the Rudiger void perfectly. and what gave him more advantaage was that he is a natural left footed player. i like how that lad played tonight.

    some players are coming back to life now, while some are playing off colours. Chilwell, Loftus Cheek are coming to life, while Mount and Havertz as well as Lukaku are playing off colours. i think the sooner Tuchel finds the solution to our lack of creativity for our strikers, the better for our team. may be the solution is right in our doorstep. Barkley could be an answer from now until January? and if he grabs his opportunity, then it saves money, like the presence of Sarr have saved Money that would have spent on Kunde. and if Sarr plays like that whenever he is given the opportunity, and assuming Rudiger commits his future to the club,then i see no reason why we should sign Kunde.

    All in all, the club is heading in the right direciton. we have addressed the first step which was our weakness under Lampard which was our defence, i remember in 2019/20 season we conceded a rcord 54 goals in the league fora top four club. everyone was giving us the stick. now that have been addressed, may Tuchel will address the chance creation thing. we need to give him the time he needs to steady the ship to the promised land.

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    #186671
    nine nine nine
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    Chelsea and Germany defender Antonio Rudiger, 28, wants Β£400,000 per week to sign a new deal at Stamford Bridge. (Mail on Sunday) BBC Football.

    Crazy if true!

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