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  • #162452 Score: 1
    Brian blue
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    A number of clubs now under serious threat. The football authorities have no clear plan how to reolve it. The Govt should not be resolving it after all, they are a business like any other business and have to plan better than they have been doing. There have and still are a lot of suspect investors and old time “I run the club” owners but neither of these scenarios are sustainable. Where the money comes from is less important as long as it has a very structured business plan. It maybe a little unfair at this moment but a line has to be drawn somewhere and the structure as we have it now is poorly managed and needs a major cull. Clubs have to pay there own way, just like thousands of other small/medium and large business. This means they have to think outside their existing income strategy go gate receipts, which will never be enough for most, transfer balances, and club merchandise. Never going to be enough. Those that and will pay huge transfer fees are labelled, but the are the buying club, the seller gets the revenue but they are not seen in the same way. In my mind, they are both guilty of escaalting the problem no matter what the scale of the transfer

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    #163142 Score: 1
    sean the sailor
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    I see wage cap introduced to league 1 and 2 Brian and players aren’t happy

    Lack of funds coming in from match day crowds is really going to kill some clubs but even in the pl big money is still being spent

    Chelsea are using all their money from previous sales so good luck to them .

    Sheff Utd and Leeds though are paying big money for players.

    So strange at the minute. No crowds etc. Hard to get excited about football

    #163293 Score: 0
    Brian blue
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    Think you are right about the wage cap Sean, no reason why it should not happen in Premier either would not mind it so much if premier players acted responsibly but they get money too easily, too soon and become a poor example to others. I know some are careful and even screwed with there earnings but I believe these are exceptions.
    It is all about balancing the books whatever the club and not living above your means, after all, that is what us mortals have to do every day

    #163456 Score: 0
    Mikus
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    Match day revenue has been making less and less of a proportion of the total revenue of a club in recent years, to most of the premier league clubs anyway. If the fans keep paying for the TV subscriptions, which they will, then it will be of little interest to the top clubs to change anything. Clubs in more trouble are going to have to look at things like more commercial deals.

    #163562 Score: 0
    sean the sailor
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    Really mikius? Just asking mate as Liverpool get about 3 million a game at home , that’s a good few quid chum

    I always thought it was a huge part of the clubs income but I never thought about subscriptions and other forms of revenue???

    #163567 Score: 0
    Brian blue
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    Do you both think that those running the game are looking more to Corporate fans and even more selective areas and gimmicks whereby reducing the normal man in the street fan. Some would say they do not even need fans anymore but somewhere along the line brake needs to be put on the crazy running and manipulation of the game. I know it will never get back now without financial input but I do feel sad about it as well

    #163593 Score: 0
    Mikus
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    Sean, it’s still a nice sum, but a club is much less dependent on it now I think, and it is now the smallest of the main revenue earners of the club. Via the football finance blogger Swiss Ramble, Liverpool’s 2019 revenue breakdown is as follows:

    Broadcasting: £260.8 mill
    Commercial: £188 mill
    Match day: £84.2 mill
    Total: £533 mill

    So match day revenue accounts for just 15.8% of the clubs revenue now, though that percentage drops further if you add any player sale profits.

    #163605 Score: 0
    Mikus
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    Brian, undoubtedly football is now seen as an entertainment product in the same way as a music concert is, hence the price for a ticket is about the same for both and within those you’ll obviously have a corporate element. But we can’t be surprised that clubs are increasingly pivoting towards their global TV fan base. Expect the game 39 proposal (to play league games abroad) to resurface at some point.

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    sean the sailor
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    Cheers mikius, that’s interesting chum

    #163752 Score: 1
    Nike19Nike19
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    Great Discussion Point Above All.

    I do feel Gate Money/Attendances for clubs ‘further down the pecking order’ are somewhat reliant on this particular source of income in order to manage and overall survive.

    #164657 Score: 1
    AdlabAdlab
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    As we have published accounts figures for Utd we can see the effect of no crowds.
    Last year Utd had a profit of £19m and matchday revenue of £110m. So even though there will be cost savings for games without crowds, the impact of no crowd is stark. This would lead to big losses for all teams that dont have other big commercial revenue.

    #164673 Score: 0
    Mikus
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    Surprised there’s only 20 extra live TV games this season to help boost revenues.

    #164690 Score: 0
    sean the sailor
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    That’s it mikius. Burnley abd Newcastle have no live games for the first month.

    All games should be live with no crowds.

    One thing I can never I stand is how utd can continually spend big but are in debt?

    I’ve no idea how it works. I know the glaciers are sucking money out of utd but they continue to buy players for big money on a consistent basis.

    #164953 Score: 0
    nine nine nine
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    Sean, from the Financial Times. At the end of March, Manchester United had £90.3m in cash and an additional £150m available through its revolving credit facility, giving it “financial flexibility”.

    #164963 Score: 0
    sean the sailor
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    Cheers nine. I’ve no idea about utd finances and understand it’s brings in so much money commercially.

    I read an article about how other fans shouldn’t comment on the glaciers reign as they don’t understand. That’s it for me. I don’t understand as they are despised but utd always have money to spend ???

    No problem with utd spending. They are huge and generate their own funds. I’ve actually no problem with any team spending

    What makes our league win more satisfying is that we used our money so well through sales. We spent 7m last in 18 months. That’s great as we win the league but I’m concerned now that we do need to spend when I really think about it

    It’s bizarre other so called smaller clubs like sheff Utd, Leeds can spend money and we can’t?

    Still plenty of time but I really think we don’t have anything to spend

    #165012 Score: 0
    nine nine nine
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    Sean, the United fans gripe with the Glazers is that they’ve taken the best part of a billion £’s out of the Club.

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