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Obviously, we need the players to address the deficiencies, but what about buying players that actually bring in the traits we lack, such as physical aggression, leadership, and proactive-ness??
How did we become also all softy-softy?
Klopp when signing examples in Mane and Wijnaldum made a difference to our dynamic, so to restore confidence and belief aside coaching and tactics requires too the right type of personnel.
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Asian, just saw your rant.
We spent 446GBP this summer. My point isn’t one like a rival fan “oh you’re shit, you spent so much” crap. It’s that we have already spent a heck of a lot and Slot has taken us backwards, what makes spending even more a sensible option with him in charge. We bought players that are clearly not suited to the system he is enforcing.
I dont give a shit if we spend a billion as the club has a model unlike others where we only spend what we earn, and don’t have owners that put their hand in their own pockets.
The net spend isn’t anything to do with this point.
So pipe down and get off your high horse.
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“How did we become also all softy-softy?”
Nil, that is the managers choice. That is the way he want the team to play. This is my point, buy new expensive players and have them play like we play?!
Would rather save the money for the next guy.
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3ps, that’s an interesting take and I wonder if there is correlation with the risk of players being injured?
Arsenal for example as far back as Wenger or early era of Arteta just trying to manage games through tiki-taka wasn’t enough. But we ourselves have our identity and style disintegrated. No press, no variation.
Would it therefore be difference of significance if we plug in the holes of a Winger and a Center half?
I have mentioned Klopp and although that’s unfair on Slot because of the short length of time in his tenure, Slot has been heavily backed already with transfer funds so surely that comes with the weight of expectation and pressure to deliver.
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“I dont give a shit if we spend a billion”
No im not gonna pipe down and get of my high horse on this subject… and i find that quite rude from you!
So why bring it up if you dont give a shit?? Subconsciously its in the back of your mind 1/2 a billion pound? To further back my theory you mentioned in the previous post “we spent half a billion pounds and you want 3 more elite players … why not just say “we recruited 8 players and released 8 players do we need anymore asian” my response would have been totally different to “we spent half a billion pounds“.
Do we need an upgrade on konate? If we are not using ngomoha, should we loan him and try for a diaz/mane style winger? If mac is too slow and we have no interest in using endo, should we then upgrade a midfielder that fits our play? Unless you think we can drop mac, sell endo, get nyoni, recall mconnell and tell him some “tactics” and that should fit the bill??
Now ive given you a complete breakdown of why we are struggling considering our team, opponents and everyones transfers in the league, poor form from 2 defenders, injuries, “tactics”… why a new signing can be a catalyst for the team to step up..
How we gonna fix this issue? Tactics?? Okay genius tell us all the “tactics”? Moonster has inside men he’ll convey the message directly to slot! Im all ears…
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Not my fault you completely missed the point of my post. Or that you think buy, buy, buy is the solution when we already did that and are now far worse. You cannot connect the issues in your head can you? Do you actually watch the full game or just 5 minutes on YouTube?
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“Do you actually watch the full game or just 5 minutes on YouTube?”
Naaaah not on youtube, on my 3 second tiktok feed!
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You know threeps, i wasnt jizzing in my pants when we were signing all the players, i was actually concerned who we’ll sacrifice and if we would complete our transfer window (we know we went in for a defender, and konate hasnt instilled any confidence of our failures)… thus the famous “fire sale” comment from me(ask ginger).
As much as i wasnt overly excited with our transfers, im not overly concerned about our new players as they need to get up to speed and bed in. The seasons long, i believe players have enough time to prove what theyre capable off! I think weve used too many formations and tactics for maybe players to get up to speed with what slot wants from us. My next post will mainly talk about the formation we could play and the tactics that could be incorporated (go easy on me please).
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Don’t want to start a new thread, but I’m seeing on one other platform clippings of Harvey Elliot. Yes, a First Class Professional and a Decent Human Being seemingly, but Ultimately, he was not good enough to feature in the Starting 11 Regularly.
If there are calls for him to be recalled, we’re clutching on straws here or latching from desperation.
That doesn’t smell of good vibes quite frankly. Never for me to make a mockery of those thoughts because it’s that individual’s opinion and he/she within their rights and I have no interest to insult than to try and work out what has led to that???
We’re a disjointed mess let’s be honest and Arne Slot is out of his Depth with the now Framework Presented.
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It’s an interesting Spectrum overall in thought;
I.e. when we had the era of 2014-2015, Brendan Rodgers was given the Licence to bring in players under ‘Moneyball’ Conditions and he himself Experienced teething problems beyond.
Does this draw a Parallel to Arne Slot of Summer 2025?
No!
The League was Achieved from an outfit left by Jurgen Klopp, so a different Dynamic of circumstances. Players of course have departed you cannot dismiss of contribution to what we are left with, but Freedom undeniably licensed to strengthen. The Manager Ultimately should have a hold on this, not to lose GRIP.
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Nil, Harvey elliot technically was very good, worked hard great attitude and im so disappointed it didn’t work out for him. Hes unfortunately been gifted with no legs, pace and physical presence. Weve upgraded him with wirtz. He needs to go to a club like notthingham forest where they can carry him with all those big players that lack any flair or attacking ability.
I agree that this could be like rogers window of 2014 when suarez gave 75 mill. Best player to come out of that was jordan Henderson i think.. david commoli was our sporting director.
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Henderson was signed in 2011 by kenny
Best players to come from that batch were bobby who Rodgers had no clue on howc to use him. Quite similar to Writz with slot
Can did ok and origi was a cult hero.
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Omg sean youre right, how could i forget.. he was suspended in the game against chelsea.. we would have won that as his pressing was so good even back then, would have won us the title.
Firminho was signed in 2015. However, lallana, can and origi did do well. Couldnt say the same for Charlie adam, markovic, adam lambert, ballotelli and moreno.
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Rumours that Milan may come in for Gomez.
Whether Liverpool let him go mid season is another matter.
He seems to be one of those players that Slot doesn’t seem to trust, but would only make sense if we brought in a centreback or 2 ourselves.
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Some sound memories shared AsianSensation and Sean. I can see a stark contrast between that time and now, only Slot has had more of a luxury of spending astronomical fees as opposed to the Moneyball Conditions those Managers and klopp to a degree had to contend with.
The correlation is more to do the the influx of multiple signings in one hit and trying to bed them all in. We know from history, with a change of Manager, Klopp got those players believing; even Lallana. Look what he made with Firmino and he costed us back then 29 million.
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Seen on Twitter Konate leaving us for free end of season.
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As i stated, here (https://www.footydebate.com/community/topic/man-city-away-sun-nov-9th-ko-4-30pm/page/5/) this offer was placed the table a week or so ago.
The offer allegedly is close to 260k, which considering his form….is pretty high. From the stories bounding around is Konate wants close to, or over 320k_____________________________
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More ‘links’ to Semenyo today. Just can’t see Bournemouth letting him go mid season but cash is King.
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Ornstein saying Bournemouth may be powerless to prevent Semenyo sale in January. I don’t think we ever replaced Mane when he left, who gave us that strength and power up top. Semenyo may fill the gap left. It may seem odd to keep strengthening up top with us conceding goals but I do think with a pressing team the attack is crucial in keeping the opposition occupied. I do also wonder whether our structural issues, partly due to a less fluid attack – is it causing Slot to encourage the midfielders to move further forwards to compensate which in turn is causing us to be so vulnerable?
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I said in the summer we have left ourselves an attacker light, not because of sheer numbers but who the manager will likely use. Ive seen nothing since to change my mind so Semenyo might not be a bad idea if he fits the criteria the back room guys want. I like that he can play in multiple positions. If its to be done it needs sorted early Jan.
I dont believe the midfielders are pushing up simply to compensate the attackers, again this is a Slot tactic and one I dont agree with.
I also think, probably more importantly, that we need a new CB. Again this needs done asap.
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