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  • #197820
    sean the sailor
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      Ye massive improvement and a proper player Ed. It’s up to him. He’s doubling his salary and money talks

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      #197821
      Editor
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        David Ornstein said this Sean:

        Reports that he stands to double his salary at Old Trafford, however, are thought to be wide of the mark.

        So we’ll see. Yet to see any figures yet but he’s going to need to be given some incentive to leave the European Champions to play in the Europa πŸ˜„

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        #197822
        Chucky McChuckface
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          Sweedy, but that’s the point, if somebody really, really, double really wanted your igloo, they would be knocking on the door offering you a big fat wedge that you wouldn’t be refusing… and Jimbo is coming across as somebody with short arms and deep pockets…

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          #197823
          Editor
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            You’ve lost me Chucky. You’re saying he doesn’t want to buy the club because he hasn’t offered to buy it at an over inflated price while it’s been clear it’s not for sale? He’s not stupid, hence his fortune. We don’t need him to really, really, double really want to buy the club. We need him or someone similar to want to buy it in the event it is available to buy.

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            #197824
            nine nine nine
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              Until the Glazers want to sell United it won’t get sold anytime soon and it remains a money making machine for the Glazers too it’s the asset that keeps on giving.

              I’m looking forward to Monday night’s game which now has a certain level of uncertainty about it which wasn’t there before. I hope the Police control the demonstration and it doesn’t get called off as previously.

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              #197825
              nine nine nine
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                Not sure about short arms and deep pockets Chucky, Ratcliffe put in a formal bid for Chelsea of Β£4.5 billion and to do so had to provide proof of funding.

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                #197826
                Luckydestiny
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                  Ratcliffe’s spokesperson told The Times: “If the club is for sale, Jim is definitely a potential buyer

                  “If something like this was possible, we would be interested in talking with a view to long-term ownership.

                  “This is not about the money that has been spent or not spent. Jim is looking at what can be done now and, knowing how important the club is to the city, it feels like the time is right for a reset.”

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                  #197827
                  Chucky McChuckface
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                    When “that” club was up for sale, there was a bit of tender process going on for would be buyers (and I spend a lot of my day bidding on tenders for work), and puppy is correct when he says Jimbo had to proof he had the cash, just as my company has to prove we have the cash/means to get past the first “qualifiction” stage whihc is designed to weed out all the idiots wasting everybodys time… but Jimbo, just like my company also often does, applied to get past the first stage to find out more about the 2nd stage etc… if Jimbo really wanted Chelsea (or YooUtd), he would be putting down a serious offer, wouldn’t he?

                    Of course he doesn’t want to pay over the odds, but the fact that it’s already going “public” with it all suggests to me it’s more of a publicity stunt than anything else. The Glazers obviously have a very differnet valuation than Jimbo and they’re never going to meet in the middle. Remember that Spotty fellow who wanted to buy the Goonies?? What happened there?

                    I’ll bet any amount of Mars Bars you want, even chuck in some Monster Munch, that Jimbo will never be the owner of YooUtd…

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                    #197828
                    Mikus LFC
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                      Would Ratcliffe not first be looking to getting a foot in the door as to speak, as Simon Jordan appears to suggest here?

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                      #197829
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                        Chucky, I don’t think it will happen so I’d never make that bet. For me there are 2 reasons why.

                        1. I don’t think the Glazers will relinquish control for a while longer yet.
                        2. As we saw with Chelsea, there will likely be more interested parties. The Glazers won’t care about who the fans most want so will simply sell to the highest bidder. Whilst I don’t doubt he’d love to buy the club (already heavily involved in sports including already owning a club in France), I think he’s far too smart to let his support for the club cloud his judgement in terms of overpaying.

                        I think he’d put his hat in the ring but I think there are unfortunately people who would more likely overpay than him, if that makes sense.

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                        #197830
                        Editor
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                          What I mean is that I think potential owners who may have ulterior motives (sports washing, shareholder return, profit) will value Utd higher than someone like him whose motive is more emotional rather than transactional.

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                          #197831
                          Brian blue
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                            ED..I am sure there would be more than a few Utd fans who would be comfortable with a “City type” ownership, providing it was as well managed as we are. I think Newcastle will also build ain a similar pattern.In principle , there is no difference in any such State ownership and Billionair’s, Football to day is only about money. I there, with respect, will always differ from you on this but as you say, it is all about opinion

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                            #197832
                            Brian blue
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                              ED…there is one sunny spot for Utd…you cannot keep them out of the headlines!!!! The Utd Press Dept must be delighted and I suspect the Glaziers have a smile on there faces

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                              #197833
                              Mikus LFC
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                                Here’s one for you Brian. Peter Swales in 1978 wanting City to become the best team in the country. Does demonstrate that the game has been about big business for a while now.

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                                #197834
                                Editor
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                                  ED..I am sure there would be more than a few Utd fans who would be comfortable with a β€œCity type” ownership, providing it was as well managed as we are

                                  Agree entirely Brian. We’re all so emotionally invested in our clubs that it’s difficult to just switch off. You can’t choose your owners. I’m simply saying what my choice would be. I obviously have no say whatsoever about who owns my club. None of us do.

                                  I think this kind of article hits the nail on the head for me. Have a read. It’s by a City fan and describes really well the difficulty some City fans have with the ownership.

                                  https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/nov/23/uae-human-rights-man-city-jailing-british-academic

                                  I honestly think if more City and Newcastle fans spoke out like this and actively put pressure on their owners and raised difficult topics, there would be less ill feeling. The problem I find is the refusal of so many City and Newcastle fans to accept any criticism of their owners and it often ends in a neverending cycle of whataboutery. Turning a blind eye and defending things that shouldn’t be defended because, well, trophies is exactly what sportswashing is.

                                  I think the City, PSG and Newcastle style owners are very careful with whivh clubs they choose also. I think if they were to buy the likes of Chelsea, Liverpool, Bayern etc of today, I don’t think the fans would accept it. The difference is they’ve had success in recent times and those type of owners wouldn’t be giving them something they’d not tasted for a while. With all of City, Newcastle and PSG, they were all not very successful clubs so the fans were more likely, IMO, to see past the owners’ obvious flaws for the shiny new things in the cabinet.

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                                  #197835
                                  Adlab
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                                    Just to make another point. Chelsea were happy with Abramovic for years despite links with
                                    Putin.
                                    Club successful…who cares about the owners.
                                    Club unsuccessful….its all the owners fault.

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                                    #197836
                                    FoxyFoxes
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                                      The only way I see the Glazers leaving Utd is if the US invades Canada and the rest of the world imposes an economic embargo on all US citizens and their assets.

                                      …as such, under their leadership, back to my original point, who in their right mind would go there manager-wise???

                                      Lucky, you talk about a project with backing, how did that work out for Ole? Got longer than any other manager since SAF. To genuinely turn this Utd team around and be competing for the league again (because nothing short of Champions should be acceptable to Utd) will take a minimum of 5 years and/or Klopp and Pep leaving their clubs. Also, people seem to forget that no less than 12 months ago many many (double many) people, pundits and fans on this forum were saying Utd were a genuine chance of winning the title last season. Ability-wise they can’t really have too bad a squad of players then. The only players they have lost since then are a bunch of free bus-pass applicants and a whining prima donna who never did anything anyway.

                                      To me, Mourinho WAS the right manager for Utd at that time. He WAS the one to rebuild them to the profile they once were. That squad needs tough love and a boot up them. Unfortunately, the board, the fans and the like saw otherwise and gave the job to a helicopter parent still driving with his L-plates, who smothered the players with love instead of telling them they needed to work hard for their shirt. Because of this move you now have the lowest running team in the league, a bunch of players who no matter how little effort they put in will get a cuddle at the end of it. But, like I said the management of the club fostered that culture with the Mourinho/Ole move.

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                                      #197837
                                      threeps
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                                        Ed you make a very good point about which clubs are chosen by potential owners. Shiny gifts to teams that usually don’t get such are a sure way to win the fans over despite highly questionable issues elsewhere.

                                        I’d like to think I would take the moral high ground if someone like the City owners took over Liverpool and walk away from the sport. Also think if I did that I would be very much in the minority.

                                        Its funny how a fans outlook changes when big signings are dangled in front of them. Wonder how many of those Newcastle fans that dressed as Arabs were critical of City’s spending power beforehand? And that those that support such an owned club always try to defend the issues or even dismiss them. Most fans crave success no matter how.

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                                        #197838
                                        Chucky McChuckface
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                                          So, basically, what you’re all saying is you’re grateful Uncle Chucky is here to constantly remind how disgusting certain current and former owners of PL clubs have been? πŸ™‚

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                                          #197839
                                          Luckydestiny
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                                            Foxy, I said with the right manager and your argument against that is ole couldn’t do it?

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