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  • #190793
    Luckydestiny
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    Superb mikus, all the money they have spent pre Rafa and its his bargain buy that wins it for them!

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    #190794
    Mikus LFC
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    Indeed, Β£1.7 mill in today’s market is remarkable. You do wonder sometimes how many other Demarai Grays are out there just waiting for the right opportunity available for no money.

    • This reply was modified 1 month, 1 week ago by Mikus LFC.

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    #190796
    nine nine nine
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    Really poor from Arsenal tonight and the winning goal apart by Gray and Richarlison’s effort Everton weren’t much better. I don’t think Everton will go down but they’ve got a long road ahead of them.

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    #190797
    Luckydestiny
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    I think they will finish mid table nine but that’s not going to satisfy their fans and can’t see them pushing for Europe without in coming seasons without a major overhaul of squad, so yeah, long road ahead.

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    #190798
    FoxyFoxes
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    I was gutted to see Gray leave. Problem with him though is consistency and attitude. I always got the feeling like he had a negative attitude with us. However his ability is undeniable!

    Arteta’s tactics again are baffling. Arsenal have won quite a lot of these games by fine margins this season, especially where Ramsdale has been MoM for them. That type of tactical setup of trying to absorb pressure and sit on a lead is Russian Roulette IMO and cannot work everytime. Arsenal have really ridden their luck a lot this season and I’m not sure how many more times this tactic will work

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    #190799
    FoxyFoxes
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    I think, in fairness to Arteta he’s received his managerial tuition under Pep. Pep’s coaching philosophy is very one directional, in that if Plan A doesn’t work, then Plan B is to do Plan A better. This is, to some degree why I think he hasn’t won the CL so far. When he’s come up against very tactically astute opposition coaches who’ve set up to nullify his tactics they haven’t had another way to beat that opposition.
    Arteta seems to follow this same process, he has one way and no plan B. Problem is, Pep has been given an open cheque book and has the world’s best players to choose from. Arsenal on the other hand just don’t have access to that calibre of player, so as a manager you have to be more pragmatic and learn to change and adapt, which I am yet to see under Arteta.

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    #190800
    threeps
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    Interesting take on Arteta. I thought he’d be a good manager and not just because he once sat next to Pep, more because he comes across as an intelligent person that I imagine studies the game to the nth degree. But maybe you are right about not being able to change to plan B. In the recent Liverpool game he continued to play out from the back with very risky passes against a high pressing team which resulted time after time in losing possession. Why not change it? Very simple and obvious but he kept the team playing from the back and very close to each other. Crazy.

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    #190801
    Mikus LFC
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    I think the other problem for Arteta is they’re just not aggressive enough. A manager really needs to galvanise a dressing room now and really get the team up for the fight. Is Arteta capable of that? They also lack experienced characters. Aubameyang should be the person they’re looking to. But there seem to be problems there as the pundits discussed last night.

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    #190803
    Anonymous

    I just saw that Everton situation. How that wasnt a straight red… The VAR ref needs to be fired TBH. Anyone can see that that is a red card.

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    #190804
    Anonymous

    “Even the 27th minute protest by the fans was ineffective.”

    What protest was this? An anti-Rafa protest? Surely not?

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    #190805
    nine nine nine
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    “An anti-Rafa protest? Surely not?” I assume that comment was tongue in cheek Mak.😊

    The Everton fans are certainly no fans of Rafa and they didn’t want him appointed in the first place but the protest was meant to be a broad protest against the running of the Club and the fact they haven’t won a trophy for 27 years.

    It was a poor protest though and very few walked out on the 27th minute?

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    #190807
    Anonymous

    It wasn’t tongue in cheek. I know well that they are not fans of him but I would just be surprised that they’d actually hold a protest to have him out. If it is a general protest, then I wonder how much of it includes Rafa. Do they have Rafa-out songs?

    I just think that Everton are beggars, who should choose. Rafa is the best manager they are going to get for a long time. It isn’t his fault that they have no idea how to sign the right players. This is BTW not a defence of Rafa, as I still think he should be doing better but of course, if the fans are grumbling all this time then maybe he just hasn’t got a chance.

    It was always going to be difficult, just as Chelsea was, as there is history. With Everton, even more-so than Chelsea but at least Chelsea has reasonable expectations of doing well.

    If I were an Everton fan, I’d shut up and support the team as loudly as I could, hoping that things go right because other than Jose, whoa re they going to get? Nobody. Literally no manager worth anything will go there right now.

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    #190814
    FoxyFoxes
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    Really not sure what people are banging on about with regards to the red. No way was it a red nor a yellow in my book. Completely accidental, his momentum was taking him that way, he wasn’t even looking at the player, he had to plant his foot somewhere and unfortunately it was Tomayasu’s head. It was purely accidental

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    #190815
    Anonymous

    I don’t agree. Looked deliberate to me.

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    #190822
    Editor
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    Mak, I completely understand their (Everton fans) frustrations to be honest. You say they’ll never get a better manager. What a depressing thought for them considering Rafa was awful at Newcastle. The football they played under him was no better than Bruce managed.

    They also just had Ancelotti before him so I think they’re warranted in not wanting a manager who is way past his best before date and who is known for his success with their rivals. I’d be protesting if Utd appointed Rafa so I understand them completely. How would you feel if Liverpool appointed Ferguson? Assuming you’d be fine with it, I can guarantee you’d be in a tiny minority of Liverpool fans.

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    #190823
    threeps
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    Rafa’s great, will always be a legend to liverpool fans. But maybe the game has moved on and he hasn’t? Bit like Mourinho. A managers method can only have a limited time of success if he doesn’t adapt to the change in football.

    I wanted Rafa to have some success at Everton for the admiration I have for him but can totally get Ed’s point regarding the animosity from Everton fans. If his ways worked then I’m sure he would win many of them over but they are not. It’s like a perfect negative storm for those fans now, a manager you don’t like with the team playing poorly. Agree with those saying a lot of problems stem before Rafa’s appointment however but like many situations in life he who touched it last gets the blame!

    Think the Everton situation will get worse in the next year or two no matter who is manager. They are failing FFP due to crazy spending with zero reward and will need to sell some of their few prized assets.

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    #190824
    Chucky McChuckface
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    Totally get where the Toffee-lovers are coming from, remember when GG took over the Spuds, he could have won the CL and cured world hunger and we still wouldn’t have loved him… the fact that he did neither was never going to help his cause.

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    #190825
    nine nine nine
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    Completely endorse all of the Ed’s comments above on the Rafa appointment at Everton and the Everton fans have protested the appointment even before it happened. “Everton fans protest Rafa Benitez appointment with x-rated banners at Goodison Park .”

    Owners might be the legal owners of Football Clubs but owners come and go the fans are there for life and morally the fans own the Football Club and no fans should be saddled with a Manager they never wanted and openly despise Everton fans were ridden over roughshod by the owner.

    And of course Ancelotti has already proved that Everton can attract better Managers

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    #190827
    Chucky McChuckface
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    But did Ancelotti go because there was nothing else on the table? He scarppered as soon as something else “better” came along, didn’t he?

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    #190830
    sean the sailor
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    Everyon job is perfect for Rafa personally as he can live in the city with his family who still live there. For the club it’s a ridiculous appointment as the Everton fans will never take to him unless he wins a trophy and does something special. It’s just not going to work out. His football is dour and he always bangs on about money.

    I hope he does well. Love Rafa but this will not end well. Totally understand the everyone fans animosity towards him

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