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Mikus, if wage bill and league finish didn’t correlate so well season after season I would agree with you.
The exceptions prove the rule as they are so rare. If you don’t have wage budget in top 4 season after season you have little chance of finishing top 4 season after season.
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Yes but the top clubs also tend to instil managers with a strong mentality and will tend to have more effective transfer teams.
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Just a handful down the years:
ANTONIO CONTE 02/11/2021 – 26/03/2023
JOSÉ MOURINHO 20/11/2019 – 19/04/2021
MAURICIO POCHETTINO 27/05/2014 – 19/11/2019
TIM SHERWOOD 23/12/2013 – 13/05/2014
ANDRE VILLAS-BOAS 03/07/2012 – 16/12/2013
HARRY REDKNAPP 26/10/2008 – 13/06/2012
JUANDE RAMOS 29/10/2007 – 25/10/2008_____________________________
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Actually, Poch served the club more than 5 years so I stand corrected earlier. Still a common denominator on the pattern of tenure from the listed others.
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Mikus, the will of the manager is irrelevant in that regard, the manager doesn’t set wage budget. You think klopp could have taken on city with spurs wage budget and working with levy? The gap between city and pool is considerably smaller than gap between pool and spurs.
Sure all clubs need good managers but that’s not what we are debating here. It’s what should be expected of spurs under their next manager who I am sure will be a good manager whoever it is.
Imo to match conte and get top 4 in first season would be an amazing achievement for whoever succeeds him permanently.
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Has Spurs overall spend over recent years been much different to Liverpool’s? Let’s not forget Liverpool were in some ways fortunate to cash in on the money Barcelona paid for Coutinho. I also wouldn’t disregard the Anfield factor at Liverpool. But again, Klopp’s first season he got to two cup finals with a very mediocre team. Arteta won the FA Cup in his first season and I wouldn’t say that team was full of stars. Ten Hag has won a trophy in his first season with a team that was utterly dire last season. So should Spurs be expecting to win the league every year? No of course not. But are other factors other than money hampering their potential? Yes, I think so.
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Mikus, conte got top 4 his first that’s a success in itself.
Forget transfer fees and net spend, a clubs ability to attract and retain the best talents is down to it’s wage budget.
For reference on the last list I saw for prem clubs city spend 160m per season on wages, pool spend 140m and spurs spend just shy of 100m. This allows pool and city greater scope to offer contract extensions to most important players and also attract better players in first place.
Without spurs consistently being able to match city, pool, utd and chelsea in wage budget they will not consistently compete. They will do on occasion and when it happens great credit should be given to whoever the manager is because the odds were against him from the start.
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Mikus, imagine if pools wage budget was 20m higher to match city, maybe you keep Mane as well as salah, maybe you keep wijnaldum instead of letting him go on a free when you did etc..The wage budget determines a rough ceiling of what can be achieved, great managers like klopp maximise return. The difference between city and spurs is roughly 60m per season, 3 times greater than the 20m difference Klopp had to contend with.
Imo Conte could not have done more and its likely his successor will not either. If he does I will be first to sing his praises.
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I think the wage structure at Liverpool was fairly modest when Klopp came in. Obviously as the club has bought some very good players, the club has seen the wisdom of trying to nail those players down, which in part has limited our spending elsewhere on new players. But when was the last time Spurs bought a really good player? Don’t forget when Liverpool were initially buying players under Klopp they werent superstars. For me Spurs still seem reliant on Son & Kane, and their form appears to have dipped as I think Son’s form has dipped this season.
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Mikus, what top player will choose spurs if they have options with champs league teams with similar or better wages?
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They done well keeping hold of kane and son. Combined I imagine they account for 25-30% of spurs wage bill.
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Well as I say, Liverpool often had to unearth players as opposed to buying superstars in their early days. They can be found, but you have to have the recruitment team to find them. Then, as the club rises, it can start to attract better players. Yes, of course its still a competitive market and money is a factor. But offering first team football is also attractive to the right players with the right mentality.
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The thing is, comparing a teams respective wage budget and league finish is a very effective way of determining if a club has under achieved or over achieved.
Chelsea are severely underachieving as a club, we all know that, and there is a multitude of reasons for that which are ultimately irrelevant to the final conclusion, we have underachiever big time.
Pool have too this season.
The biggest underachievers of the last decade are utd who have consistently had a wage budget in top 1 or 2 but who have not once seriously challenged in that time nor consistently finished top 4. This shows severe inefficiency that is not news to any utd fan, but to consistently not have quality proportional to wage bill is shockingly bad.
Ten hag will get a lot of credit finishing top 4 while conte gets shat on for doing same with spurs with much less resource.
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We can all identify good players but its thecwages offered thst play masdive part in attracting them and it’s not just finding mikus it’s keeping them too, the wages you offer are the determining factor. They done well keeping kane but it restricts investment elsewhere at same time.
Modric, bale, walker etc all top class, none could be kept and its not spurs fault imo.
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I’m not actually condemning Conte. I just thought he was the wrong fit for the club as they needed someone for the longer term. Also, admittedly, you do have to spend money more wisely at a club like Spurs and blowing money on Richarlison looked wrong at the time and looks wrong now.
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Yeah I agree mate, clubs like spurs have to spend smarter than those above them to stand a chance but that’s easier said than done.
I also agree he was wrong fit I think we were all in consensus that it would likely end the way it did, with conte unable to accept being an also ran and throwing the club under the bus.
He was completely out of order in his last press conference and I don’t think anyone in their right mind could appoint him after that…however, in my opinion he was right in what he said no matter how wrong it was for him to say it and behave as he did. Spurs fans should not forget it.
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1. Manchester United – £222,984,000
2. Chelsea – £169,720,000
3. Manchester City – £163,060,000
4. Liverpool – £141,782,000
5. Tottenham – £101,344,000
6. Arsenal – £85,490,000Just had a quick chat with Mr. Google about players wages and got the above… no idea how “accurate” it is…
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Interestingly Poch made a similar point at a press conference some years ago albeit a lot more diplomatically about the problem of attracting players to come and want to win something.
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That’s it banjo, Kings of the underachievers at number 1 😆
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Wage bill tables are all over the place depending on the source. I have no idea why. Here’s one from Talksport
Premier League wage bills:
Chelsea – £212,090,000
Manchester United – £211,875,000
Manchester City – £182,640,000
Liverpool – £158,788,000
Tottenham – £110,438,000
Arsenal – £97,878,000
Aston Villa – £89,880,000
Everton – £80,707,000
West Ham – £80,060,000
Newcastle – £76,220,000
Leicester – £73,190,000
Crystal Palace – £67,624,000
Nottingham Forest – £67,460,000
Fulham – £56,668,000
Wolves – £52,702,000
Southampton – £51,496,000
Leeds United – £48,100,000
Bournemouth – £42,276,000
Brighton – £35,685,000
Brentford – £30,170,000_____________________________
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