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  • #251556
    gingerlfc
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      Barcola played (not started) a grand total of 8 games on the right wing last season. 31 games left wing.
      The season before 8 games from the right, 44 games from the left.
      Season before that 8 games from the right, 27 games from the left.

      These are appearances, not starts.

      He’s a left sided attacker who can do bits on the right.

      We need a right sided attacker.

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      #251557
      gingerlfc
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        Rio will not start a game every week.

        He’s will most definitely get more mins than last season.

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        #251558
        notorious bingo
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          Remember which flank Rio made his England debut on? Or do you think he cares about which flank he is on as long as he is getting minutes? Same goes for Munoz?

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          #251561
          gingerlfc
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            I do remember.

            Rio will not start a game a week.

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            #251562
            threeps
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              He won’t and he shouldn’t. That age you need to be careful. Look what happened to Owen.

              And as I said, he has a lot of his game to work on. A few fancy step overs might look good and make the crowd go ooh but he needs to track back and help out defensively. Currently he’s just not got the physicality for that.

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              #251563
              gingerlfc
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                Completely agree Threeps.
                He will get some starts and he will get much more mins coming off the bench.

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                #251564
                notorious bingo
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                  I´ll put a pint under it mate, the thing is it´s easier to manager his gametime if he starts, he does not need to do full 90 minutes every week. He can do about 60 minutes of gameplay and influence a game, he should never start two games in a week though but he should be given a chance every time we can.

                  Denying him game time is like denying Fowler his start for the club. Where that sweet spot will be in the league I don´t know but in total he will get about 2200 minutes I reckon and the majority of that will be starts.

                  He has already shown he can do this in the last 20-30 minutes of a game, he has already shown that he can keep going for 60 minutes. The next step is to get more starts and I am 1000% sure he will do that. The kid is a beast, he already got his England debut. He will have gotten directions from Tuchel how to develop, he started this summer early.

                  He will start a lot of games, not every game but I reckon it will be close to 1 game a week on average over the season.

                  I´ll take a Guinness pint after the season.

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                  #251565
                  notorious bingo
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                    3ps look at what is happening with Yamal, the kid keeps developing, look at all those youngster at Barcelona right now.

                    The physiotherapy and all that has comes leaps and bounds since Owen and Owen mainly relied on that pace of his, it´s a different kid. Fowler also had his fare share of injuries but that was mainly down to the culture of the club.

                    We got the finest academy in the world right now, the best training facilities, one of the best cultures ever developed in club football.

                    We can´t hold this kid back, he is also greedy to prove himself and get big contracts and all that, we got to give him the path we promised him. He is already a England national and very likely to become one of the finest players we have seen for England.

                    I get what you mean about managing him but there is no holding back this kid anymore, he is gonna explode on the scene this season. You just have to face it.

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                    #251566
                    gingerlfc
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                      He will get more starts.
                      He will also get much more mins off the bench.
                      He will not start a game a week.

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                      #251567
                      D1rtyH4rry
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                        Yamal plays in a more technical and less physically demanding league. Young players can be completely broken by being overplayed in England.

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                        #251569
                        notorious bingo
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                          ginger we are not disagreeing by that much but consider this because you want a right forward, if we do not sign one who would be the likeliest player to start there?

                          I can´t see Gakpo moving there, I can see Munoz taking up any game time available to him over there, I can see Rio doing the same. I don´t wanna see Szobo once there this season. Barcola could feature there but he is probably gonna play on the left.

                          Right now if we add Barcola to the mix and he would start the majority of matches on the left for certain, Wirtz probably in the hole and then we only got our pick of Munoz and Rio, Munoz is also new to the league so I expect it to be a almost 50/50 battle between them right now.

                          I do not think you are getting your wish for another forward beside Barcola. I know you want one but I don´t think he is coming this season. So there is only those options available and some of them have to start.

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                          #251571
                          notorious bingo
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                            Dirty, I don´t think it´s only gonna be our fans that want Rio to start this season, I think the whole country wants to see what he can do, I think half of Europe wants to see what he can do. The pressure is gonna be immense on the lad, someone here talked about him going back and fulfilling his defensive duties but honestly we should be playing full throttle so the kid never has to track back.

                            I think Nyoni is just as good actually, he just needs to play a more disciplined position so he has gotten less game time, we need to keep a path open for that kid in midfield as well. He should get a couple of starts in the league, get all the minutes he can get in the cups. I really wanna see more from him, I´ve not seen a more disciplined kid playing holding midfielder than him at his age.

                            He is also a potential superstar in the making, he got his debut at 16 under Klopp, he also forced his way into Slot´s team, I know he will do good for Iraola.

                            The only other player I could compare him to is a former captain of ours at our club, otherwise I would opt for a former Arsenal captain. In our last game of the season, in those few minutes Nyoni got I saw something very special, he went for the ball every time. He shielded the ball every time, he stood under pressure and found the pass as well. He wanted to make his mark on that game and he did. Roy Keane commented about him, he was probably commentating on our game against Sunderland.

                            it´s just a short clip of his touches, not his work off the ball which is also exceptional, look at those backheel passes. This kid is also very special I am sure he will be a England national in the future.

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                            #251572
                            gingerlfc
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                              You’re saying he’ll start a game a week 100%.

                              I’m saying he’ll not start a game a week 100%.

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                              #251573
                              notorious bingo
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                                No I am saying that he will average a game a week, depening on the schedule, I´ve even given you the minutes I think he will get 2200 minutes, cause he will both feature in the Champions League and the Premier and possible the cups as well. There is plenty games to go around for a whole season, we could play between 65-70 games this season.

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                                #251574
                                notorious bingo
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                                  He could get around 10-14 starts in the league this season, another 3-5 in the Champions League.

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                                  #251575
                                  D1rtyH4rry
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                                    I think we can all agree Rio is going to suit Iraola football

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                                    #251576
                                    notorious bingo
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                                      Harry if we get Barcola I am genuinely excited about what our attack can do and about Rio, we are not talking about some random hyped up kid we have never seen, we know what he is capable of. I get the concern that we need to protect him but there is no holding this kid back this season, he is gonna explode onto the scene. I´m being rather pragmatic with my expectations on him because he could just play so good we are forced to play him every goddamn game!

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                                      #251577
                                      gingerlfc
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                                        This is what you said.

                                        “He will get a start every week this season, I am 1000% sure about it,”

                                        1000%

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                                        #251578
                                        notorious bingo
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                                          don´t be so pedantic ginger, learn how to relax and talk about football, maybe tell me how many minutes you think he will get this season so we can get further. Tell me how many starts you think he will get in the league, don´t just focus on one thing in a series of conversations. Right now you are copy pasting and the only thing missing is all captions!

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                                          #251579
                                          gingerlfc
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                                            That’s not pedantry.

                                            That’s your own words quoted back to you.

                                            There is no ambiguity.

                                            • This reply was modified 1 month, 1 week ago by gingerlfc.

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