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  • #240547
    srilankanblue
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      A tough set of fixtures ahead.

      It has become embarrassing! Not sure if i have got it right with the numbers but you get the gist.

      We have not beaten arsenal in our last 10 meetings. Man city in our last 12 meetings, was the last time the champions league final?
      Against man u we have managed 2 wins in 16 games. We are going to anfield and the last time we won there was 2021.

      will we get into europe next year?

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      #240691
      aindro
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        Totally agreed. Since we applied the policy of buying young players only: we haven’t achieved anything big honestly. Last UCL title: there were still Thiago Silva, Kai Havertz, Edouard Mendy etc. That’s why I think adding experienced players is crucial to the success of our young team. The team is too young and we have no serial winners in our team except Reece James & Enzo Fernandez.

        Aston Villa tonight, I reckon that this is make or break. If we get anything else than a victory: our chance to finish in the top 5 will be over. No UCL next season. But if we get 3 points: the race will still be very open as Villa have to play Man Utd at Old Trafford next and I reckon Man Utd will beat them probably quite easily. We should be able to beat Villa though, our form is not good but theirs is worse. And they have problems with injuries too recently. My prediction will be a tight win for us, 0-1 at Villa. We need to take advantage of their advanced wing backs in Digne and Cash. Rosenior would start Garnacho to exploit that but we know how Garnacho is inconsistent. Unfortunately other quick wingers are unavailable: Neto, Estevao.

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        #240915
        srilankanblue
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          well well well

          After there goal in the second minute i thought game over!
          We played well, could have scored a couple more.
          Have to say if Ollie put his chances away it would have been a different game.

          What do we feed our goalkeepers? Every time the ball goes back i am nervous.

          I am also concerned Enzo and Moises are on 8 yellows and could potentially be banned for 2 games.
          Is it 10 bookings for a ban?

          Wrexham next will be an interesting team selection considering we have PSG midweek

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          #240921
          aindro
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            Firstly, the rule: 10 Yellow Cards: Results in a two-match ban if accumulated before the end of the 32nd league fixture. So yes it’s possible if either one of Enzo or Caicedo receive 2 yellow cards in the next 3 matches.

            I missed the first 20 min, it’s working hours here. I only saw their goal on the highlights. Our attack was fantastic against Villa. Garnacho for the first time played really well in the league. Joao Pedro is a clear step up from Nicolas Jackson. Cole Palmer did some good passes too. And our captain Reece James dominating the midfield. The defense on the other hand was shambolic. We were lucky that Watkins was judged offside, it was so tight. I think we need to buy a defender in the summer window, an experienced one. Fofana yesterday was bullied by Watkins easily.

            I am glad that we won 3 points against a direct top 5 competitor. I think next league match: Man Utd would beat Villa at Old Trafford and if we are able to beat Newcastle: we’ll sneak into 4th position.

            The FA Cup against Wrexham can’t be underestimated. They play at home and they are highly motivated.

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            #240970
            Blues1967
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              With PSG mid week do they pick a strong starting line up with the intention to try and kill off the tie in the first half and rest some of the key players at half time and beyond OR risk picking a few donkeys from the start and losing the tie from the outset with no way back? Wrexham are in the mix for promotion to the Premier League, will be up for this and a real danger. We’ve seen what happens against supposed inferior Premier League teams when there are major changes made and some key players rested replaced by dross at the back. Wrexham will expose any deficiencies rest assured.

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              #241013
              aindro
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                My feeling: Rosenior will underestimate Wrexham and start our 2nd strings like Delap, Andrey Santos, Lavia, Tosin, Badiashile. And a very motivated Wrexham side will score first and we’ll panic. At least Gittens is injured, no risk that he’s gonna start.

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                #241015
                Rover
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                  Think so too maybe rest 1 or 2 players but otherwise play your strongest available team. Wrexham must not be underestimated. Imagine the backlash Rosenier will get should the unthinkable happen. Generally play has improved but losing points to Leeds and Burnley at home was unacceptable. So im still far from convinced.

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                  #241325
                  srilankanblue
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                    What did you guys think?

                    Thought we played some good football especially the quick one touch forward passing.
                    Another keeper mistake, when will we learn.
                    After that mistake the team fell short.

                    Different tactics to when we beat them in the World club cup.
                    We clearly don’t have the players to play out from the back.
                    Poor game management and leadership

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                    #241932
                    Ed de Goey
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                      We’re utterly diabolical. It’s clear that appointing Rosenior was a terrible mistake.

                      Enzo is openly saying he might not stick around for next season and who is to blame him? If he goes, we will see an exodus of players like Caceido and Palmer. Other top players like Estevao will quickly find an off ramp, as will the likes of Cucurella and Joao Pedro.

                      These ‘mastermind’ long contracts only mean we can get decent resell value, they don’t mean we can keep unhappy players against their will.

                      And how can we replace them? Even if we get good fees for them, who would really want to come and play for us under Rosenior and the current ownership??

                      We had a chance to hire a really top manager once we offloaded Maresca, instead we blew it and hired an untested coach from the French league who has no top level experience. In terms of points we are closer to West Ham in the relegation zone than we are to Arsenal.

                      My interest levels are quickly dropping off with this current setup, we’re not a joy to watch at all. Pre-Abramovich Chelsea were far more entertaining and good to watch than the current dross we are subjected to. It would be one thing if we were winning with this utter turgid style of play, but we’re not even doing that.

                      Something has to change.

                      But it won’t.

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                      #242414
                      aindro
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                        I think we’ll miss the UCL spot. We were not able to beat Everton; we played really bad and deserved to lose. I have to agree that Rosenior doesn’t have the experience for this level. All he said when he won was hunky dory, everything was good etc etc. But the result and especially the performance really show otherwise. We lost big against PSG, I still can understand that. But we lost against Everton, lost agains an out of form Newcastle, drew against Burnley: these results are unacceptable.

                        Sanchez wasn’t that bad before, he was a liability against Everton. And the defense: Fofana, Hato, so bad. I don’t understand Rosenior playing Hato as CB when real CBs like Sarr and Acheampong were on the bench.

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                        #242448
                        Ed de Goey
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                          Aindro – I stayed up and watched the Everton game, it was dire.

                          All of the weird selection decisions are either driven by the medical team who limit the ‘minutes’ each player can play, or by Rosenior’s experience working as a mid-table French league manager/Rooney’s assistant at Derby.

                          The comment I’ve made about the medical team taking precedent was spelled out by Maresca, and Rosenior is already making the same comment. Rosenior played Sarr at RB against PSG because it worked reasonably well at Strasbourg apparently. Do we really want to set ourselves up like Strasbourg do against PSG?

                          It’s a joke – no successful elite team is run by the medical department or managers who are referencing their experience working for Championship level outfits.

                          We own some of the best and most expensive players on the planet. They need to be managed by elite level coaches. We won the Premiership or Champions League under the following: Mourinho, Ancelotti, Conte and Tuchel. Di Matteo was the outlier, but at that time we just had an amazing group of leaders and personalities in the squad. The point I’m making is perfectly valid in any case.

                          Could you imagine Mourinho/Ancelotti/Conte lasting 5 minutes under this current ownership structure? Players like Terry/Cech/Carvalho/Gallas/Lampard/Drogba etc etc, were treated like football players and not like financial assets sitting on an Excel spreadsheet.

                          It’s just weird what is going on at Chelsea; we’re being run into the ground.

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                          #242624
                          aindro
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                            Ed: while we own some of the most expensive players on the planet, I think the main reasons we haven’t been successful post Abramovich era are the following:
                            1). lack of an experienced manager. I have to agree that we need much more than an inexperienced manager plucked from a ‘development’ team or a youth team in Rosenior and Maresca. I still don’t think we should go back to Mourinho or any old managers, but there are promising relatively young managers like Xabi Alonso for example.
                            2). unbalanced squad. While Caicedo, Palmer and now probably Enzo can be considered amongst elite players, look at our defense and our GK. We did not really invest there. Fofana, Chalobah, I don’t think any of our CB will make the starting eleven at Madrid, Barcelona or even Arsenal, Man City & Liverpool. I reckon only Cucurella who would walk into the starting eleven of any team in the world. Reece James too but he is too often injured.
                            3). low scoring. I think Joao Pedro had done quite well but Chelsea do need to score more.

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                            #242735
                            Ed de Goey
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                              Aindro – agreed on all fronts except I would go back and get Ancelotti.

                              Defenders don’t appreciate as an asset in the same way that attackers and wingers do – hence the lack of proper investment in that regard.

                              And then look at keepers like Kepa – we paid 72m for him and sold him for 5m… so you can see why the American asset management firm are trying to get that position done on the cheap. Madrid, Man City, Liverpool etc don’t go in for keepers like Sanchez or Jorgensen.

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                              #242810
                              aindro
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                                Ed, totally agree about defenders and keepers about their lack of investment values. And particularly about keepers, I think we have a good experience developing keepers from young age in Courtois and even in Cech. We bought Cech when he was early 20s. And now we are developing Penders. Sanchez has always been a stop gap waiting for Penders to be ready. Jorgensen on the other hand, I think Maresca saw potential in him that somehow until now still hasn’t come into materialization as he always looks shaky.

                                But defenders, I think from experience we do need to buy, we do need to invest. And by having so, it can help developing our own young talents. Look at Carvalho (and how Terry developed), Rudiger, Thiago Silva, Ashley Cole. I know that Colwill will be back but we are all in all thin in defense and I hope we will buy a good experienced defender in summer before the transfer ban will kick in.

                                I can’t see Rosenior staying for too long, especially if we miss the UCL spot that will trigger some of our players being unhappy and wanting to leave the club. So we have to use this summer well in the transfer market

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                                #242825
                                Blues1967
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                                  Graham Potter managed Sweden to the World Cup. Go figure eh!!

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                                  #242919
                                  aindro
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                                    Enzo is suspendef by the club following his comment about Madrid. What a mess at Chelsea

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                                    #243115
                                    Blues1967
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                                      56 years on and Chelsea and Leeds finally get to reacquaint in a battle at Wembley Stadium. That team way back then was 100% Chelsea, every player giving their all for their football club. Seasoned pros that spilt blood for their beloved Chelsea and paid a pittance (compared to what is on offer financially today) to do so and were rewarded, albeit in a replay at Old Trafford for their effort becoming FA Cup winners winning a rare trophy for the football club. We were a battling club back then as we are again today but there was a totally different feel as a supporter back then to what we are experiencing now. Lets hope in the Semi Final these kids come of age and make us proud to be Chelsea supporters again EVEN IF the narrative is still the same, BLUECO out.

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                                      #243185
                                      aindro
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                                        I only saw the highlights but it looks to me to be a good performance against Port Vale. And Cole Palmer captain too. I am happy that he looks to be happy to be chosen captain. I think it’s about time to give Palmer the captaincy. Strip Enzo from the captaincy in my opinion. I don’t believe he did anything wrong, everybody is entitled to his or her opinion. But still it’s not sensitive to talk about Madrid in any way especially when results are bad at Chelsea. As if he said please come and get me to Real Madrid.

                                        While Enzo has certainly improved compared to when he first joined Chelsea, I still don’t see him essential. Palmer has to play no:10 I reckon to be able to do his magic, not on the right wing as he isn’t amongst the quickest players. Enzo then has to go back to no:6 or no:8, but now we have Lavia coming back from injury as well as Andrey Santos who can play that position quite well.

                                        Beat Leeds in the semifinal and we will be certain of playing in Europe next season. City got the best draw against Southampton but still I am relieved not to have to face City in the semi. Next match in the league against City will show how far we are behind City or how close we are to them. Let’s see

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                                        #243446
                                        Rover
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                                          Coventry fans regard Frank Lampard as their greatest ever signing of all time. Another mistake our sd’s made.

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                                          #243557
                                          Blues1967
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                                            I have NO interest in this football club any longer whilst it is run by these idiots. If they sell up and there are positive signs of our beloved football club resurrecting I will, of course, return. There is only so much one can take and that 2nd half display against City pushed me over the edge. Blue Co OUT and until then good bye and take care all ( or should I say the few that remain post the closure of TeamTalk Your Say) Oh, and RIP 999 forever missed as a decent guy and passionate Chelsea supporter but one of the few that are at peace right now.

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