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  • #195322
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    The reason Grealish was brought into the discussion Brian was because Sean said Sancho and Lukaku were the 2 biggest disappointments this season and I disagreed and said Grealish, as a Β£100mil league record signing was much more underwhelming than Sancho this season. Sancho is adapting to a new league whereas Grealish has no such excuse. I’m not saying he’s been poor but you want more than OK from a league record signing. I expected a lot more from him whereas I think the slow start we’ve seen from Sancho is very much what we’ve come to expect with players coming from the Bundesliga.

    I think if you asked most City fans now if they could go back and spend that Β£100mil again, would they still buy Grealish, I very much doubt the majority would say yes. They’d say they should have bought a striker instead.

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    #195323
    threeps
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    Rashford looks like he has fallen out of love with the game, but a new manager whose philosphy he taps into will sort him out no problem. There’s still a player there, but I can understand the comparison with what’s happened to Dele Alli.

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    #195324
    Brian blue
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    Ed…a couple of points…there is a danger that the value of a player is linked directly to the fee and performance, as I suggest you are doing.After all, how would compare others against it, plenty out there, you could even compare the money spent on Maguire!!!I am not sure you are right about the City fans either, they have always loved a good winger, saying that, I was one who would not have signed him
    The old chestnut about the striker always appears, we have scored 70 goals in the league so far, not bad. Same last year, same year before with limited appearances from Auger. I have no doubt we will sign a striker at some point but we have just signed one from Brazil, we have delay waiting his chance, in the meantime, the system is set up to score goals from anyone….and it is a proven system with current squad. Of course, we should score more but a Kane or whoever does not guarantee that in the way City play and we are not going change a successful system for one player.I also think Emerson fancies his chances up front!!!!

    Thanks for bringing me up to speed on the subject though

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    #195325
    Brian blue
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    Sorry…. “we have delay”. should have said we have Delap ” waiting”

    Computer auto corrected in its own way!!! Second Paragraph

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    #195326
    Brian blue
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    …and another…..Emerson. should be Ederson!!!! I should start reading before posting cannot rely on what is actually being typed

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    #195328
    Adlab
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    If I could rollback the Β£100m I would.

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    #195329
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    I genuinely think most City fans would Adlab. I think the amount to which Grealish needed to change his game to suit a Pep side means you’re taking away all the best parts of his game. In fairness to Foxy on here, I think he was one of the few to suggest it might not be the right signing for City when he signed, for this very reason.

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    #195330
    Brian blue
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    Ed.. we are not going to agree about Grealish..accepted The best part of Grealish’s game suited Villa and himself, but if he wanted to improve he had to move, be it City or another club. Let us be fair, it is far too soon to judge and remember I did say I would have bought somebody else but I am also prepared to give him time. As to the money spent on him, that is not his fault and nobody comes with a guarantee to do well when first signed, you only have to look at Utd for comparison I just think it is unfair to single him out when there are plenty of other players with hefty price tags and upkeep, not doing well. It happens and it will not change anytime soon although world economics will decide on the future for us all

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    #195332
    FoxyFoxes
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    Yeah, I’m not really sure why I’m defending Grealish because I’ve never really been a fan of his and certainly didn’t see why City would want him. But then, I felt the same about Sancho when that got announced too. The Chelsea signings of Havertz and Werner, well I actually rate them as footballers, I think they are class, just maybe Werner is not matched for Chelsea, he would thrive at a lot of other clubs imo

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    #195333
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    No worries Brian. You make good points as always.

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    #195586
    Mikus LFC
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    Confirmed. Club no doubt eager to make this announcement to try and move on from current gloom.

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    #195587
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    Yeah I think they’d have waited until the league was finished in the Dutch league had it not been for the recent dire run of form. I’m pleased as he’s the one I wanted but it’s a massive gamble. Certainly won’t be a quick fix anyway. Lots of work to do.

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    #195590
    Brian blue
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    Ed…it is a big gamble…but life is like that. I doubt he will favour any of the current squad so that will be a big shift, then he has to re build. I do think he is a good coach, if I was a Utd fan I would worry more about what authority he is given and what “upstairs” interference will or will not change. Given the team controls are in the right place Utd will bounce back but without changing the management structure they have, it will be back to the drawing board.

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    #195593
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    I really hope I’m wrong but knowing what Utd are like these days, it wouldn’t surprise me one bit if he doesn’t get off to a great start, that we’re back in for Pochettino or Luis Enrique mid-season. Enrique will be more likely to leave after the World Cup so I imagine they’d have an eye on that just in case Ten Hag does a complete Frank De Boer on us.

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    #195595
    Mikus LFC
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    That’s the key question Ed – the club needs a revolution but won’t want to sink too far down the league what with share price and things. Indeed remember how Utd’s share price was boosted after Ronaldo signed. Ten Hag won’t be interested in such things.

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    #195596
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    No that’s it Mikus. Woodward is gone now so I’d hope the amateurish running of the club is now a thing of the past. Some of the things happening so far regarding structure of the the non-playing staff has certainly been encouraging.

    He needs time and I think this new regime will give him time. Still, I would never advocate giving a manager time regardless of what’s happening on the pitch. Say he comes in and loses his first 10 games, no manager survives that. I don’t care how patient you are, it’s a results business. He needs time and shouldn’t be expected to deliver straight away but you absolutely have to see signs of progress to get that time. Say we get 8th next season but you can see something developing and there’s still a lot of players moving in and out, then he should get time and I think he will. But Say we’re hovering around 15th two thirds into the season, no big club would refuse to consider a change of manager. Klopp or Guardiola would be gone, despite all their recent success, so you can be certain a new manager would (and should) suffer the same fate.

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    #195597
    Mikus LFC
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    Yeh, when Rodgers came into Liverpool, we were lingering in the relegation zone early on, but then improved and finished 7th, having the 4th highest number of goals scored in the league. We then challenged the following season. Shows what can be done in just 2 years!

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    #195746
    sean the sailor
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    I think the ragnick thing as been a mess. He’s now Austria manager and moving up stairs at utd. No signs of the way he wants to play in his tenure there. This is the worst utd side I’ve ever seen and the players are the issue. Massive clear out needed. Players either don’t care or they can’t run.

    Disgraceful stats all season. Huge job there. Last 5 months have been a waste of time

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