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I’ve said it before, but now surely this has to be it. Boring and unsuccesful. Let’s restart!
And let’s not lose Alonso to a rival now please. That would be the ultimate transfer failure._____________________________
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I dont think slot is going anywhere till the summer. Rumours have e down since todsy
I am a bit concerned now about us getting cl football. We havent win since wolves thats sfter playing leeds, burnley, fulham and ydsy
Its terrible
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Rumour has it Alonso isnt happy being a coach now, probably down to the overall disaster behind the scenes, he wants to be ‘da manager’
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Possibility Sean mate. We could be out of the CL, end up finishing outside Top 4, and maybe get quite close to winning the FA Cup and that will be the end of the Nile for Slot.
If a change is going to be made, I’d rather it was sooner. I do agree about this notion of Coach and Manager. There’s a difference there in the level of Authority and Decision-making.
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That’s a very good point moonster and something I’ve been thinking about recently. Alonso at Leverkusen was very much a manager, he was heavily involved in transfers, in progressing the clubs vision etc.
We all know Slot is a head coach and Hughes is the main man for transfers but the summer showed me there’s a very thick line drawn between their roles. It didn’t seem to me that Slot had any input or that Hughes considered what Slot wanted at all.
In my opinion would Alonso want to work under the current situation? Probably not, and it’s probably ruling out a lot of potential appointments. But maybe it’s been highlighted somewhere in the management chain that the system isn’t working and it will change, then I could see Alonso adapting. Think he will want more of a say on transfers as opposed to letting Hughes play real life Fantasy football.
Of course there are rumours that Hughes and maybe even Edwards may lose their jobs too.
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Well from what i know, the top-top people are ‘off the wall’ furious and fingers are getting pointed…Edwards and Hughes are taking a lot of flak and Slot currently is being used as their cover, but hes gone.
Alsonso and the top-top people dont see Edwards and Hughes there much longer as they only have 18 months on their contracts.
Alsonso wants this as a long term project, so having people in charge that’ll be controlling him for the short-term would make no sense.
The DoF type role just doesnt work for me, its too easy to pass the blame to the manager.
Wholesale changes are needed, the shifting sands on contracts is wild currently, worst of all is we’re now at a point where we have to offer huge wages to keep player, the desire to stay has gone and they need riding to stay.
Robbo didnt want to leave, but has had enough, Mac is propervfed up, Konate is done, Grav isnt happy, Mo, well we know that one, chiesa, Rio and Trey feel betrayed from what they was told….this is a very, very unhappy camp.
As for the reason to the ‘lockdown’, it is because there is ‘open warfare’ between Edeards, backed up by Hughes and the Top-tops._____________________________
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Anyone know why we changed from manager to coach structure? Was it ”we don’t want our manager to burn out, lets not burden them with transfers” or more ”managers comes and goes, we need transfer stability so there won’t be need of a bunch of new players everytime we change managers”?
If the latter, Liverpool isn’t known for changing managers lightly, so we haven’t that problem before.
And are there and good examples of that structure with coaches instead of managers? That the club could point at and say ”we want aswell”?
For me it is super strange that managers are cut away from transfers and that need to change._____________________________
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The answer to your question stems back to the Klopp-Edwards era. Klopp and Edwards were always at logger heads on transfers and ultimately Klopp won and Edwards quit.
Edwards came back to control the club from top to bottom, then gave his mate Hughes the Dof position for more control…so they want a puppet coach to do as they instruct. Basically, its a power grab by appointing a coach as a cover and someone to blame other than themselves.
Thinking about it, since clubs put this structure in place, haven’t we seen the increase in sackings go through the roof??_____________________________
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So when is slot leaving?
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Top-tops want him gone now!!! Thats 100% nailed! Thats why the so called ‘lockdown’ is in place.
You might even see an entire structure change, but doing that mid-season would be a huuuuuge complicated task._____________________________
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Sean, unless we make a change champions league football is gone for next season. I appreciate we are not a sacking club but the stakes are so high that missing out on CL could easily result in 5 years in the doldrums.
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I think he will get the sack after the Quarabag game, then Edwards and Hughes should be held accountable as well.
Like we need a new manager in, someone that can guide the recruitment as there is no clear vision around the club anymore.
I was even reading some report about Wirtz and Alonso this season, Xabi reached out to Wirtz this season and gave him some nice advice about where to improve his game.
I think the lads are talking about Alonso and with most of them excited about the possibility, I don´t see any of the lads backing Slot right now, we can see arguments out there on the pitch with players seeking advice from him but nothing happens.
You could see the whole team refusing to kick out the ball or giving away a soft foul while Gomez was injured and Endo waiting on the line. They just refused to do what Slot asked them to do, with Van Dijk stating he thought they were in control.
Slot has no authority at the club, he does not pick what players are bought or sold. That is Edwards and Hughes who have been wheeling and dealing. Selling Quansah, Diaz and Elliott is one of the most stupid decisions the club has done in a long time. Quansah would likely have about 10 games this season, Diaz should have started every game for us this season, Elliott would provide us with much needed backup in a number of positions and likely have around 10 games.
I got my hopes up that the club has already talked to Alonso and that he has given them a answer, he just needs about a week or so to sort out his affairs in Spain. He got a family, kids in school, he needs to discuss this with his wife but I think it will get sorted out soon.
I just doubt that our top targets want to work under this regime, I think it has been proven that neither Edwards or Hughes know anything about team building, great scouts, they can certainly find a rough diamond of a player but they lack the oversight to oversee a new team being built. They are too willing to sacrifice a team player for a new one.
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Then when Gerrard is heavily signaling that he is prepared to step in and take over as interim, there has to be something more behind the scenes about player unhappiness. I don´t think he would be criticizing the manager unless he has heard somethings. Or implying that he is ready to take over.
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Bingo, here’s personally my prediction on what could happen:
Slot to stay till the end of the season and will leave. Anything before and Gerrard steps in.
Whether accurate or fake news, online activity otherwise suggests Alonso is in negotiations with terms discussed.
All goes well, he joins us in the Summer.
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I think Gerrard will come in after the Quarabag game, the general consensus is that Slot is a dead man walking. We got zero leadership at the moment, everyone just keeps pointing the finger, nobody takes responsibility. That includes the players but as things stood we were selling our vice captain in a miserable season before the Bournemouth game.
I don´t just want Slot sacked right now, I want Edwards and Hughes to fear for their jobs. They dismantled a title winning squad for this!
I´m not saying the players can´t come good but there is zero team building happening at the moment, all our youth players are out of the club or injured. Elliott could prevent us from qualifying for the champions league!
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And it´s not like Alonso is the only option available right now, Zidane is probably not gonna show up but Joachim Löw is available and I would fully trust him to guide us out through the season, Xavi is also available and he has expressed interest in moving to the premier league but he does not want to have DOF above him when it comes to transfer and I would actually give him a chance as well. He wants to manage in England because of passion of the game and then what better place to do it than Anfield.
I would put him above Alonso actually on football merits but Alonso understands the club, both guys have a pretty defined way of playing and not afraid to express that so I would argue both would fit us.
Gerrard would do a better job I think than Slot, he might not be the biggest football brain on the planet but he understands our way of football and we would immediately get back to our roots. I doubt Gerrard would stand in Ramsay´s way for example. He might not be the best option we have available but he is the only specialized rightback we have for cover right now.
Slot is so disrespectful when it comes to the shape of the team, he will move any player between position rather than trusting a junior player.
There is not a single prospect that gets the gaming time they deserve, considering our injuries, the get loaned out or sold or starved out of football. While we lose our shape every game!
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The one explanation for jekyll and hyde is that the players seem in different mindset in more sense of optimism and hope.
This isn’t reflecting in league performances. What was Van Dijk even thinking of??? There’s sloppy play to begin with, and it takes something drastic to inject a wake up call to repair the damage only for all that to be undone in the dying seconds.
You’re right Bingo from reading your other comments re the loss of the dressing room. This is a parallel in what appears to be Amorim with his United players. Too much chopping and changing, formations seemingly fluctuating more frequent. As a result of all this, the is a loss of steadiness and stability which I only really saw when we played at the Emirates.
Slot’s facial expressions at times tells me something clearly isn’t right behind the scenes and what ever that may be. Peculiar above all and I appreciate all the adversity we’ve had to deal with as well as a tragic death in one of our own, but the recruitment thereafter has a lot to answer for from breaking Transfer record fees more than once and very little to show in return.
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Who sacks Slot and recruits his replacement? Normally it would be Hughes, but there’s serious question marks over him. So go above Hughes and its his mate Edwards who recruited Slot in the first place and also has question marks over him.
Then you have managers ljkely not wanting to work in such a DoF structure. Both have 18 months on their contracts I believe.
So any Slot decision could need to come from above Edwards and would severely undermine both Edwards himself and the hierarchical structure they installed.
Basically it’s looking messy.
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Just as when a manager will bring some of their backroom staff to a club when they first arrive it would almost be as good if they brought their own DoF who they’d worked with before and thus had a good relationship with.
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threeps the only safe persons at the club right now is the marketing team who keeps overperforming. I got the feeling that Hughes has been running amok rather than Edwards who took a step backwards and remains responsible for feedback to the owners. If we sack Slot I got a feeling that Hughes will go as well. Then we hopefully get a manager in with a long term vision and Edwards can either resign in 18 months or renew.
We need a whole new coaching team, set pieces, fitness, individual coaching. Recruitment etc.
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