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Spot on buddie Benfica were smarter than anyone signing Fernandez for £12m in the Summer whilst anyone who wants him now will have to pay his buy out clause of £105m.
I don’t know if it’s common knowledge or not?
We could of bought him along with Alvarez last january for £40M
But to be fair I couldn’t see him starting over Rodri.Most underated
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Nil, agree with you about Robertson great left back one of the best in the world for circa £8m+. Chelsea have a bit of a chequered history on transfers especially with strikers but Zola at £4.5m and Cech, Azpilucueta and Cahill all at circa £7m were great buys at very little outlay. I’m hoping the new Fofana from Molde might be another.🤞
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PPT, If Fernandez goes for £105m he was a miss.😊
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True 🙁 I doubt it’ll happen in january though?
I wonder if we’re going to see anyother big movers in January?
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Paul why are you going back just 5 years? Are you seriously comparing man cities spending to liverpools? You are run by one of the ridge at people in the world. You don’t have to sell to buy. Sorry I’m not sure how many times we have to have tgis conversation. Liverpool spend money but no way like Man City or psg etc.
It’s remarkable any club has competed with city in England or Europe over the last while. They should be winning absolutely everything with their resources. Pep has spent millions so why not go back to when he came in instead of 5 years ago?
I never get this. It had no way been an even field since pep and Klopp came in?
Pep has spent over a billion gross. There is not comparison Between city and liverpools net spend.
City have nearly spent 400 million then Liverpool.
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Sean.You didn’t answer my original questions
I’m told our revenues are fairly
similar.So why can’t John Henry & co put it back into the team ?
It’s probably going in their own pockets instead?Our owner doesn’t take a penny out.Yours do
Paul why are you going back just 5 years? Are you seriously comparing man cities spending to liverpools?
Sean the facts are Liverpool have spent more in the last five years net then City
have.So you HAVE been competing.It’s a myth to say you haven’t been.If you want to compair value for money.How much have Liverpool spent since the premier league
started to win a league title?Even though you were part of the sky top four coining it in with european money pretty much every year from 1992 till 2008 along with United Arsenal Chelsea
Our owners had to invest massively in 2008 before the above clubs tried to move the goalposts with
a new version of FFP.Plus the prices back then.In 2002 Rio Ferdinand cost United around £25-30M
How much would he of cost in 2019 easily £120M ? when united signed Harry Maguire for £85M big onesLiverpool were lucky that Barca sold Neymar for £200M.Hence getting nearly £150 for Coutinho.He wasn’t worth even a third of that imo
Sean how do you explain the fact that United have spent more money than anyone else in the last 10 years and are still in a mess ? (Getting better nowadays Ed)
It’s easy to answer really.We’ve got Pep.He’s a genius.To win two league titles without a recognised striker against a top top Liverpool side was immense.
I have no doubt when he leaves we’ll never see the amount of success again.Yes we’ve spent money.But anyone who’s ever been champions has (maybe except Leics in moderation)
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Sorry mate, to answer your question, Our owners are a business paul. All buisness are to create money. City don’t need to as they have an endless bottomless pit of cash.
Absolutely no comparison. Our owners also thought fffp would make it an even playing field but it hasn’t.Exactly it’s because of pep. We are we are we are because of Klopp. Two unbelievable managers who buy well but also improve players through great coaching
Utd lost the best manager we have probably ever seen. They also lost David gill and have made poor decisions since.
Ed knows utds predicament more then me. He can explain it better. AlwYs good to debate mate
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I’ve said it before and this is my take. There are three main ingredients for success:
– A coach
– A good structure (transfer committee, scouting setup, director of football etc)
– Resources (both initially inherited and money given for transfers)Utd have had a terrible time with the first two over the last 10 years meaning it’s almost irrelevant how much we try to paper over those deficiencies with the 3rd one (spending more money). City have the best of all 3. All 3 are massively important and City boss all 3 of them. Of course, doing this for the length of time they’ve done it has meant they now only need to top up a squad brimming in quality. PPT, whilst you could say Liverpool were lucky to get that for Coutinho which massively skews their net spend, you could say the Haaland transfer was equally lucky. But for his release clause, what would he have cost? £200mil?
Utd are going to continue to struggle because, while I think we’ve got the coach right, I think we’re still massively lacking in the second point above (structure) hence why the fans are so eager now for the ownership of the club to change hands as we’ve been criminally mismanaged for years. Fans pointing to net spend are completely missing the point. We’re just throwing good money after bad. We won’t compete until we get owners who genuinely care about the club.
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You also have to factor in off the field costs. Having the best facilities, training ground, gym, youth team, etc etc, mean players are going to choose your club over another when offered the same amount of money. City, as well as having all the best of the 3 areas I outlined above, also have the best facilities. They have almost a bottomless pit of cash to spend on making the whole City group the place to be. That can’t be measured by net spend. That City could even get (and keep) Guardiola was a result of insane off the field spending (not measured by net spend). That Haaland chose them, the same. That they get the best youngsters to join them, again, they have the best facilities. Obviously that all reduces the net spend over time. Selling academy players and promoting those who are good enough etc. Net spend is one measure but far from the only way to measure how competitive a club is financially. No club, aside from PSG today and Newcastle, going forward, will be able to build the whole structure to the level of City. That’s why people talk about them being almost impossible to catch going forward. Not just because clubs can temporarily keep up with their spending.
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Have to say, sone job by Eddie Howe. They haven’t spent crazy money either. Well over achieving which night cause him a problem as expectations will grow.
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There is far more conplicatwd factors to consider than net spend, bought him for whatever and sold him for this etc. Agent fees, loyalty bonus, signing on bonus for player agent and family, wages, dodgy book avoiding payments (looking at you Mancini).
How much does Haaland actually earn when taking into account his bonuses which apparently are very easy to hit, just shy of a million or something? And then add the 40m for his family and agent. But the arguments are always City are so good they got the best young striker for 60m what a great recruitment team they have. And for a team who if they didn’t have such owners no top player would consider joining as they would be a yo-yo club or mid table at best.
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Coming away from this slightly; I read some time back about Anfield and naming rights:
Sorry to have to use Echo as a source, but feeling lazy.
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/inside-fsgs-240m-anfield-plan-25629683
Surely this impacts our ability to be able to spend more in the future and also get round Financial Fair Play Rules?
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Can I be the Arsenal that points out MoneyCity have only got away with their flagrant breaking of the rules due to a combintation of clever lawyers and technicalities… and it should also be mentioned it was only UEFA that have cleared them for European compition and they are still under “investigation” from the FA (although when you have unlimited funds and a desire to piss all over the rules, I’m sure that “invetigation” will be continually delayed as it currently is)…
Money City basically cheated the rules as their owners were depserate for the good will (which unfortuantely only comes from the blue half of Manchester) and we all know it. We’ve all read the e-mails!
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Man City have basically brought in the dream team that helped create Barcelona’s success. Ferran Soriano, Txiki Begiristain & Pep Guardiola. It wasn’t rocket science in that sense. The risk for City is when Pep does leave, will the others follow?
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Pep’s the Hairdryer, believe 😀 😉
Matty Cash and Villa 2-0 up was too good to be true in the end.
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Some interesting comments above. Can’t say I agree with everything but good conversation.
City are lucky to have such an owner but you still have to make the team play.
Above all we have the best management.
When Liverpool were great they had Shankly and Paisley. United had SAF. Chelsea for a while. Mouriho. All spent money. But after SAF United spent loads with little return. Chelsea perhaps less so.
Entirely agree with Eds assessment of the three requirements for success and how important it is
to make all three work. Just two isn’t enough for continuing success._____________________________
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Can I be the Arsenal that points out MoneyCity have only got away with their flagrant breaking of the rules due to a combintation of clever lawyers and technicalities… and it should also be mentioned it was only UEFA that have cleared them for European compition and they are still under “investigation” from the FA (although when you have unlimited funds and a desire to piss all over the rules, I’m sure that “invetigation” will be continually delayed as it currently is)…
Money City basically cheated the rules as their owners were depserate for the good will (which unfortuantely only comes from the blue half of Manchester) and we all know it. We’ve all read the e-mails!
Banjo.You’ve obviosley didn’t read or understand the report when it came out
CAS declared that anything that happened prior to 2014 was time-barred but not anything after. So they could examine the sponsorship revenues that were paid after 2014 and found those were properly paid and weren’t disguised equity funding.
That clearly implies that had the other payments not been time-barred, they would also have been found to be properly paid.
Therefore anyone claiming MCFC got off “on a technicality” is completely wrong.
Also regarding the e-mails.They were thrown out as fakes.
If the Premier league had anything on City they would of charged us by know
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Some excellent points Ed 🙂
My reply to these
PPT, whilst you could say Liverpool were lucky to get that for Coutinho which massively skews their net spend, you could say the Haaland transfer was equally lucky. But for his release clause, what would he have cost? £200mil?
I would hope that City wouldn’t go anywhere near that figure.We didn’t have a centre forward for two years earlier.So we could of gone for him then maybe? Our staff were probably tipped off about the clause for £50M possibly
Utd are going to continue to struggle because, while I think we’ve got the coach right, I think we’re still massively lacking in the second point above (structure) hence why the fans are so eager now for the ownership of the club to change hands as we’ve been criminally mismanaged for years. Fans pointing to net spend are completely missing the point. We’re just throwing good money after bad. We won’t compete until we get owners who genuinely care about the club.
The thing that amazes me about all this is Fergie has to take some of the blame for this.His greed over a race horse (Rock of Gibraltar) forced the then United owners to sell to the Glazers
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Man City have basically brought in the dream team that helped create Barcelona’s success. Ferran Soriano, Txiki Begiristain & Pep Guardiola. It wasn’t rocket science in that sense. The risk for City is when Pep does leave, will the others follow?
All of our teams down to under nines are coached the same way Mikus
PG’s legacy will be around a long while after he’s gone.I can see him
maybe in a DoF role after he’s tried international football?I hope Vinnie keeps up his good start to management at Burnley.I would
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There’s no denying City are an incredibly well run club now, but lets not pretend they got there without a massive helping hand taking them from mid table obscurity to the top of the pyramid. One thing that’s guaranteed to meet a hostile reaction from other fans is City fans playing the “we earnt our success as we are so well run thjng” when everyone knows how you got to that position originally.
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